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== Untitled ==
Isn't he more commonly called "Ridwan"?  Every English account that I've seen that mentions him uses that transliteration. [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 23:26, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
:*Me too, although sometimes it is also "Rudwan". [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 23:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

== Requested move 30 March 2021 ==
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[[:Fakhr al-Mulk Radwan]] → {{no redirect|Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan}} – <s>Though some source use ''Radwan'', a lot of [[WP:RS]], like Lewis, Runciman, and Cahen prefer Ridvan, while Bosworth uses Ridwan. --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 17:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC) --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 17:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)</s>
:Are you sure that the majority of sources use the 'Ridvan' spelling? My main gripe is that this would be contrasting with the common Arabic spelling (which uses 'w' and not 'v') used throughout sources (and also in Wikipedia for that matter) regarding this period. It would a bit inconsistent. --[[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) 13:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{U|HistoryofIran}}, I'm really not sure. Throughout ''A History of the Crusades: The First Hundred Years'', which has authors like Lewis, Runciman, and Cahen in its team, "Ridvan" is used. Others, Maalouf, Hodgson, and Bosworth, use "Ridwan". Gibb uses "Rudwan". --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 18:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
:::So that's just one source which uses Ridvan spelling then? That doesn't seem very convincing. Peacock uses Ridwan as well. --[[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) 19:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
::::So, Ridwan seems to be more of a [[WP:COMMONNAME]] than its other variants. --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 21:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
* '''Supporting move to Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan''', as it the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 22:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
*'''Closing comments''': I note previous moves indicated by the (now overwritten) page history of the target
 21:01, 29 March 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  34 bytes +4‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Fakhr al-Mulk Radwan rollback: 2 editsundo Tags: Redirect target changed Manual revert
 20:50, 29 March 2021‎ EmausBot talk contribs block‎ m  30 bytes −4‎  Bot: Fixing double redirect to Radwan of Aleppo undo Tags: Redirect target changed Reverted
 07:44, 16 March 2019‎ ZxxZxxZ talk contribs block‎  34 bytes +34‎  ←Redirected page to Fakhr al-Mulk Radwan thank Tag: New redirect
Hopefully this will lead to stability. And thanks to contributors above for a learned, interesting and rational discussion. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 19:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)



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== Melikdom? ==

Is the use of melikdom correct here? [[Melik]] seems to be an Armenian title, used, as far as I can tell, exclusively in a different geographic region (Eastern Armenia). I can't find any search results on Google for "Seljuk melikdom" or "Syrian melikdom". Perhaps amir/emir (emirate) should be stuck to instead? See, for example, [[Shams al-Muluk Duqaq]]: this article describes him as founding a "melikdom" in Damascusus while that article simply refers to him as "Emir of Damascus". [[User:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#6F0000;">Jr8825</span>]] • [[User Talk:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#4682B4;">Talk</span>]] 20:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
:"Meliklik" is solely used in Turkish sources. I haven't seen the usage of "emirate" in English sources. Also, Melikdom is an Arabic term, not the other one. --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 20:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Jr8825}}, it is referred to as [https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/review-of-middle-east-studies/article/abs/the-saljuqs-of-syria-during-the-crusades-463549-ah-10701154-ad-by-taef-kamal-elazhari-islamkundliche-untersuchungen-no-211-389-pages-berlin-schwarz-1997/5CD0E5BF553C6374CA4DA72ACDD502C4 Malikdom here]. --► Sincerely: '''[[User:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:black">Sola</span>]][[User talk:Solavirum|<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:#560605">virum</span>]]''' 20:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification! [[User:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#6F0000;">Jr8825</span>]] • [[User Talk:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#4682B4;">Talk</span>]] 20:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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