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== [[Film Actors Guild]] ==
Does anyone think the disambiguation page for FAG should redirect to the Film Actor's Guild? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.249.48.241|99.249.48.241]] ([[User talk:99.249.48.241|talk]]) 11:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Other definitions ==
The word fag is continually being used in modern day society as a negative term. It is no longer associated with gay or homosexual tendencies. Nowadays "You are just a fag!" has absolutely nothing to do with the sexual tendencies of the person being accused. 

I suggest this is expanded upon in the article. My son has just accused me of being a fag for writing this. I do not believe I am homosexual. 

:You're very wrong about that.  It has everything to do with sexuality, that's the whole point of the insult.  You're calling the person a homosexual.  It is not an insult otherwise.  [[Special:Contributions/70.49.243.154|70.49.243.154]] ([[User talk:70.49.243.154|talk]]) 20:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

:Agreed with the alternate meaning. If I had to pick a modern definition of the term, I'd say "Pejorative term for a cultural pariah whose beliefs or actions are deemed contrary to the goals of the dominant culture"[[Special:Contributions/128.211.249.84|128.211.249.84]] ([[User talk:128.211.249.84|talk]]) 17:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I think that the meaning of the word fag is changing. It no longer seems to mean homosexual, although it once did. I think the new meaning is closer to "loud, obnoxious, arrogant". Re the South park episode "The F Word" airdate 11/04/09, where the main characters use the word to mean "obnoxious harley rider". Certainly, the 20-30 year olds in my social group use it interchangably with "douch-bag" and "asshole", as a prejorative term.

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What's the feeling? Should fag and faggot have different pages or should one redirect to the other? Also, anyone want to help out with this entry? --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]]

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Not just American teens - and fag can be used against non homosexuual people - i was apparently a "fag" for being disabled

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Haven't people ever heard a cigarette called a homo queer fag? Perhaps that should be in here somewhere?

:It was, and is again. There was some vandalism and a bit got lost, but it's back now! --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 12:20 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
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Yes, I believe Europeans sometimes call cigarettes "fags".

No in Europe generally. It's a British and Irish term. [[User:Mintguy|Mintguy]] 12:47 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

:That is, of course, the basis for the joke about the two possible meanings of the phrase "I'm going to go smoke some fags." --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 12:28 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

And I think "faggot" is some sort of a plant?

:I've heard "faggot" defined as a bundle of sticks, but I wasn't sure that it was appropriate for this entry. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 12:20 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

::"faggot" is actually an imperial measure for sticks.
::1 short faggot of sticks = 2 ft. girth x 32 in. long bundle of short wood sticks/billets
::1 long faggot of sticks = 2 ft. girth x 4 ft. long bundle of long wood sticks/billets

::1 faggot of iron = 2 ft. girth x 1 ft. long bundle of iron/steel rods/bars for horseshoes & so forth
::But I guess that's for faggot and not fag.   -- [[User:Nferrier]]

Originally the word meant bundle of sticks. The perjurative term originated from people who collected faggots for a living - primarily the old and the poor.

:In Britain you can buy a product called "Brain's faggots". Brain's ([http://www.hiberniafoods.ie/brands/our-brands_mrbrains.html Brain's website]) is the brand name, I don't know of any other manufacturer Faggots are basically meatballs.

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Regarding the usage in British schools... a fag is one who fags? Verb and noun? --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 01:06 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

:Yes, I could (if I was a senior boy in an English public school like Eton or Harrow) have a fag. He would be a junior boy (probably a first year) and he would fag for me. He would be doing fagging duties for (maybe) several hours a day or only a few minutes a week depending on how mean I was.
-- [[User:Nferrier]]

::So your fag could go fag for you by getting you some fags? You crazy Brits! ;) --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 01:13 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

:::You're getting it. And if you think that's strange wait until you hear about "dog" as in "I say you old dog, it's the dog on the dog."  -- [[User:Nferrier]]

::OK, give me a sentence with as many fags and dogs as possible. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 01:18 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

:::I say you old dog, get on the dog to my fag and get him to make his dog to bring me some fags.
:::Trans: friend, telephone my menial assitant and ask him to make his girlfriend (note: presumably another boy given the public school system, but not necessarily) bring me some cigarettes.

::I don't know whether to be frightened or impressed. :) --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 01:26 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)


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Right now, the article implies that "fag" and "faggot" are not used in British English as  pejorative terms for male homosexual. Is that correct? [[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]] 21:11 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)

"Faggot" certainly has this meaning in England (with meatballs and bundles of firewood as still current, but slightly old-fashioned senses).  "Fag" is understood as "cigarette" when spoken by a Brit, but is recognized in the US sense when spoken by an American. -- [[User:Heron|Heron]]

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I'm reverting to the version before Deb removed the ''faggot'' sections as I believe that they belong in the article. The only edit since then is an edit that is made obsolete by the revert. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] 02:07, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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It's good to see that this entertainingly overloaded word is still provoking discussion.
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I don't believe this about fag-end. I think the use of "fag-end" to mean useless thing comes from the understanding of fag as a cigarette. What could be more useless than the last bit of cigarette? for a smoker it's the most depressing thing to have to go through your ashtray trying to find fag ends that could possibly be reused.

Any other possible genesis for fag?

:As 'fag-end' is seventeenth century, and was used to refer to the flapping end of a piece of cloth, I doubt that it ahs anything to do with cigarettes or bundles of sticks... [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</span>)]] 10:17, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Maybe the Yiddish Feygele? It means the same and sounds similar.

:I thought that 'feygele' meant (literally) 'little bird'? It ceryainly doesn't mean 'useless thing'. [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</span>)]] 11:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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>In the United Kingdom a faggot '''(never abbreviated to 'fag')''' is a dish made of chopped meat and herbs, rolled into a ball and fried.

:Why is the UK definition of "faggot" included here if it's never abbreviated as "fag"??  [[User:Moncrief|Moncrief]] 07:47, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

'''Please note the new definition as referenced by the creators of South Park in episode 1312'''
'''Fag:'''1) An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person most commonly associated with Harley riders.  2)  A person who frequently rides or owns a Harley
A fag is Gia Bear

== Why were 'Origins' removed? ==

Hmm, I think there was nothing wrong with 'Origins' I wrote (with IP 80.99.141.102)..
Why did you remove it? I learn British Civilisation, and we learnt it from a British guy (and it's in our book as well).
It's a fact. I didn't use any bad words or things like that in it.

: Probably mistakenly. I've re-instated it.
: [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 18:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

== Style guidelines for disambiguation ==

First off, let's cover what a disambiguation page is for. It exists, not to define terms, but to allow a reader to quickly select between a list of sources of more information. Thus, the goal is to give as little information as possible while resolving ambiguity.

Why very little information? Well, in my ''opinion'', this is because information on a disambiguation page isn't going to see the same level of scrutiny and debate that focused, well defined topic articles will.

Ok, now on to the official guidelines as stated at [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)]]:
* Don't include dictionary definitions
* '''Don't wikilink any other words in the line''' (emphasis from source)
* '''Don't''' pipe (alter the link text of) the name of the links to the articles being listed (emphasis from source, parenthetical mine)
These three rules of disambiguation are violated several times in the body of this article. My edit was really not perfect at all, as I preserved two violations on the line I edited (while removing several) and left all of the other lines alone. I'll correct that, and turn this into a real disambiguation page.

Reverting my change seems counter-productive in the extreme, as you are supporting the poorly maintained content of this page. If you want some particular concept to be covered in the definition / history / explanation of a particular meaning of the word ''fag'', then you should probably edit the appropriate page for that particular meaning. -[[User:Harmil|Harmil]] 04:01, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

:You seem not to have read the whole text; the guidelines are only suggestions, and editors can "violate" them if that's appropriate in the circumstances: "For every style suggestion above, there's some page which has a good reason to do something else. These guidelines are intended for consistency, but usefulness to the reader is the principal goal. So ignore these guidelines if you have a good reason."

:You left an inaccurate and misleading gloss of the term; I reverted to the (very slightly longer) accurate version.  That doesn't warrant all this fuss, and certainly doesn't constitute "supporting the poorly maintained content" of the page. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</span>)]] 09:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

::I've just seen your latest edit, which had to be reverted for a number of reasons.  First, "the original term for meat, cloth or sticks" is not only incorrectly punctuated, it's completely false; "fag" has never been the term for meat, cloth, or sticks. Secondly, the usage "servant" includes the derived "Something that requires a lot of effort could be described as a fag"; without that gloss, the reader won't know which of the articles linked to covers that usage.   Thirdly, the entry concerning the slang term for a homosexual was again misleading, and needed expanding.  Fourthly, s there's (as yet) no article for FAG Kugelfischer, there can be no harm in explaining "ball bearing".  Finally, the "see also section" does no harm, and could be helpful to th reader. --[[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]]  ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<span style="color:green;">&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;</span>)]] 09:54, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

As I understand it, the origin of the term "fag" as referring to homosexual is related to cigar smoking.  A cigar, it seems, is something smoked by men.  A fag, referring to a small cigar (which takes it's connotation fron the "fag" meaning small kindling ... i.e. small things that smoke).  "Real men" smoke cigar, women (and effem. men) smoke the smaller "twig" fags (i.e. cigarettes).

([[User:75.40.178.87|75.40.178.87]] 02:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

== Fag ([[South Park]]'s new definition) from Wednesday's 11/5/09 episode ==

Fag(fag)noun 1. An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly commonly associated with Harley riders. 2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley.

The episode is convincing on the new addition to the English language, this should be added simply because it is a current relevent event that has happened though it should be annotated that this is Southparks version of the definition from the Episode entitled "Fags".

:Convincing to who? That meaning has zero acceptance with anyone who is not a South Park viewer.  --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 03:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It symbolizes the progressive change of the words use.  As previously discussed, the word carriers a non sexual negative connotation that can be used very broadly. 

:No, there is absolutely no evidence that this supposedly new definition will stick. --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 05:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

::NeilN - are you serious? Do you live in a hole in the ground or something? People have been using it that way since probably the late 90s. In most uses cases the word fag is just a stronger form of the word gay. Both usages has very little if anything to do with homosexuality. However, that being said, there are certain individuals who wish to continue oppressing homosexuals and maintain a certain set of derogatory words towards homosexual males. But it's possible to see where you're coming from. Lets all remind everyone that homosexuals are different and we need special words to insult them with. This is good since we strip them of so many other rights as individuals and couples. We need phrases like "that's so gay" and "you're such a fag" to absolutely mean that you're referring to homosexuals instead of a bunch of "inconsiderate assholes".

:::Are you trolling or what? Please provide a reference showing that the "an extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly commonly associated with Harley riders" definition was in general use since the late 90's. --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 16:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

::::I'd say that that exact definition isn't necessary.  Exclude the Harley Riders portions of course.  The important part is that 'Fag' is evolving to mean lame more than homosexual and I think it would be accurate for this article to represent that in some fashion [[User:Lacitpo|Lacitpo]] ([[User talk:Lacitpo|talk]]) 19:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Might agree with you there. No need for the South Park reference. And this is actually a dab page so dicdefs or etymology discussions may not be appropriate. --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 19:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with the premise that calling someone a fag nowadays, and for probably most of the last decade, has little or nothing to do with sexuality and is well captured by the Southpark definition. It should be put back in the main article. Neil, by disagreeing in the snooty "how dare you dissent" tone of your replies, you sir are being a fag... ----

A fag only referred to being a homosexual for a very brief period of time.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.203.100.9|71.203.100.9]] ([[User talk:71.203.100.9|talk]]) 00:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Not sure how you get snooty from what I wrote. I'm just saying that if anything is added, it should be without the Harley reference as that particular nuance seems to be limited to South Park. --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 01:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

::Returning the updated definition to include the reference to obnoxious motorcyclists with loud pipes as the only modifier is appropriate as we all know the history of the term has been broad and evolved through various meanings over the years. Clinging to an out-dated meaning for little other reason than it's the one the editor is most familiar with is weak given the nature of an encyclopedia's intent to address all uses. Also include the missing reference to a bundle of sticks. - MAJ

:::But there's no "history of the term" involving Harley riders. If you have [[WP:RS|references]] other than South Park that show otherwise, post them. --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 03:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Not true. Yesterday I was driving with my father who's in his late 50's and doesn't even know south park, and a harley crew drove by, to which he quipped, "What a bunch of fags!".  So far though South Park is the only objective source we can attribute the new definition to.  Clearly though, if we can find a secondary notable source for this definition it should be added to the main page. -Frank [[Special:Contributions/24.2.244.98|24.2.244.98]] ([[User talk:24.2.244.98|talk]]) 18:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Point of order. There pre-exists "The 'F' Word" episode of South Park an inclusion that also only has one reference. It also traces back to the same writers (Parker and Stone). Yet no one had any personal issues with its inclusion. At the most cursory level it would appear that resistance to inclusion of "current usage" updates is based on personal bias as opposed to objective observation.  Long-held aversions toward current usage that are attributable to out dated perceptions is the very point being made by the writers of the show. Speaking as one of those "old men over 50"" referenced by Frank, it's not only "old" people who have a hard time tossing off the things learned during our childhood as the world around us moves on. - MAJ 03:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

::::As a gay person who doesn't identify as a fag, I agree that it is time to rebrand the name. Its been done several times before, why not now, when it can make a difference in a world caught up in using it in a pejorative sense. I know I will be using it as such in my future conversations. Southpark made a very convincing case, and I think anyone against this transition should check out the episode before concluding it as inconceivable.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.158.197.18|75.158.197.18]] ([[User talk:75.158.197.18|talk]]) 12:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::::All Harley riders ARE not fags and the word still means queer. The missunderstanding is because they dress up in leather and are seen by most to be queer. Outside many queer clubs (I have never inside one) you often see queers wearing Harley gear. The classic pin-up for gay men is a Harley rider in full leather gear. You can't dismiss not watching South Park as a reason for not listening or entertaining the fact the word fag comes into the head of most people when they see Harley riders. So the reason Harley riders are called fags is the underlying meaning that most of you seem to have missed. Harley riders are usually queer and insecure. Afraid of their closet gayness think want to be seen as cool and think that people will look up to them and that women will find them attractive. They live in their own little dream world (correctly portrayed in South Park). In actual fact decent women look the other way, but queers do find the whole leather thing to be a bit of a turn on. Therefore the reason the word FAG is used for Harley riders is a little bit like the Emporers new clothes. Most people actually think that there is a queer person inside every Harley rider. Therefore by using the word fag one is actually saying "I know you are queer, come out of the closet just admit it", oh and while you are about it take that heap of metal shit to the scrap yard.

You missed the point of the episode. The whole point is that fag no longer necessarily synonymous with queers. The fact that they wear leather has nothing to do with it.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sven1483|Sven1483]] ([[User talk:Sven1483|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sven1483|contribs]]) 02:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

YOU missed the point of the episode. Its ironic. As a South Park fanatic I can tell you three golden rules. 1) Something is true but not well known to be true. 2) South Park touches on it and leads the viewer in the other way. 3) People realise that it was true after all. In this actual fag case its like this....

A large percentage of HD riders are closet queers. Therefore they are called fags. However these HD riders dont want to be called queer (we are not supposed to know they are). So if the general public now really did believe that FAG does not mean queer then we can call HD riders fags without the queer accusation. The irony is that they ARE still queer and they ARE still being called queer. The program drew attention to the fact that there are still HD riders who have not even understood how annoying they are, that the public can now call them fags (knowing this to mean queer) but that HD riders will (the irony) not realise that they are being called queer and thus remain closet queers only to themselves in the same little dreamworld were it is "cool" to own and ride an HD.

See the section below for the definition and point of the episode. Nothing to do with homosexuals. YOU missed the point twice----

== A new definition proposed by a South Park episode ==

Fag - an inconsiderate or obnoxious person, usually driving a Harley. (a South Park parody definition that attempts to redefine the word to make it unrelated to homosexual slang) The whole point is that the meaning of words can and do change regardless of anyone's personal beliefs.  This word has evolved beyond the scope of homosexuality and common sense (absent of a poll of the human race) dicates that this definition or a close proximity is already in use. ````  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JoeGrad00|JoeGrad00]] ([[User talk:JoeGrad00|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JoeGrad00|contribs]]) 00:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:See above. Where are your secondary sources? --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 01:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

{{tlx|editsemiprotected}} i request that you add our recent meaning for Fags- a group of inconsiderate natzis
:I call [[Godwin's Law|reductio ad Nazium]]. -''[[User:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color:#32CD32;">Jeremy</span>]]'' <span style="color:#4682B4;"><sup>([[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color:#4682B4;">v^_^v</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|<span style="color:#4682B4;">Stop... at a WHAMMY!!</span>]])</sup></span> 08:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Secondary sources are everyone who is writing in this discussion and specifying that they use "Fag" as a general pejorative, not associated with homosexuality. Stop being a fag and accept it.----

:See [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] on what sources are acceptable. Hint: editors aren't one of them. --[[User:NeilN|'''<span style="color:#003F87;">Neil<span style="color:#CD0000;">N</span></span>''']] <sup style="font-family:Calibri;">''[[User talk:NeilN|<span style="color:#003F87;">talk</span>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/NeilN|<span style="color:#CD0000;">contribs</span>]]''</sup> 15:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

: I'm unsure as how to go about finding secondary sources for a word that is used off-hand in random situations. I do however believe it should be changed, i think the south park reference is a good one because that usage IS frequently heard. I'm sure you have heard it before neil. I have not heard it in the "queer" context for quite some time, all of my children use it as a term for something "loud or annoying", and quite often will use it in referance to the harley's going past my residence. It needs to be updated for it's current useage.[[User:Rietas308|Rietas308]] ([[User talk:Rietas308|talk]]) 07:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
: <small>— [[User:Rietas308|Rietas308]] ([[User talk:Rietas308|talk]]&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/Rietas308|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

=== Harley-Davidson fag term removed ===

This:
	
'''* Fag, from the ''South Park'' episode [[The F Word (South Park)|The F Word]] - "A person who owns or frequently rides a [[Harley-Davidson|Harley]]"'''

was removed.  I support putting it back.--[[User:Dana60Cummins|Dana60Cummins]] ([[User talk:Dana60Cummins|talk]]) 17:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

* Please see [[WP:MOSDAB]]. There should generally be only one blue link for an entry on a disambiguation page and the link should support the usage as described on the disambiguation page. In this case, while the usage is mentioned on the article for the episode, it is not mentioned on the Harley-Davidson page. Thus there is no point to linking the term Harley on the disambiguation page. As for removing the entry altogether, the entry is extremely obscure and I am neutral with regards to its removal. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 17:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
== Fag(fag)noun 1. An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person mostly commonly associated with Harley riders. 2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley. ==

Having read previous edits, i have seen this is a popular item. I did notice however, two major faculties in why it was not going to be changed. #1 being [[reliable sources]]; #2 being that it refers specifically to harleys and/or harley riders.
I'm unsure as how to go about finding secondary sources for a word that is used off-hand in random situations. I do however believe it should be changed, i think the south park reference is a very adequate one because this usage IS frequently heard. I'm sure most people have heard it before. I have not heard it in the "queer/homosexual slander" context for quite some time; all of my children use it as a term for something "loud or annoying, general dislike" and quite often will use it in referance to the harley's or loud cars going past my residence. I do feel it needs to be updated for it's current useage, as a words meaning can change over the course of time and i believe it has happened in this case, and if you do want to provide relevant information to people this should be shown.

alot of people do use it in the same way they would call someone an "idiot", "douche", or "prick"; and not refer it to homosexuality at all. this being the case if someone like that was to yell it at someone in that way, and they refer to your website re the meaning, they would be greatly misinformed.[[User:Rietas308|Rietas308]] ([[User talk:Rietas308|talk]]) 11:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
: For the same reasons enumerated above, no. <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<span style="color:#D47C14;">itsJamie</span>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 11:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
: That does not make much sense at all. Accurate information must be a high priority[[User:Rietas308|Rietas308]] ([[User talk:Rietas308|talk]]) 12:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:<small>— [[User:Rietas308|Rietas308]] ([[User talk:Rietas308|talk]]&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/Rietas308|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>
::This has been discussed at length and included at [[Faggot (slang)#Usage in popular culture]]. If you persist, further unsubstantiated comments of this type will be considered an attempt to use this talk page for general defamation. [[User:Ash|Ash]] ([[User talk:Ash|talk]]) 12:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::shut up fag [[Special:Contributions/2600:1015:B079:8AE5:A47A:5C6E:7EDF:DDE3|2600:1015:B079:8AE5:A47A:5C6E:7EDF:DDE3]] ([[User talk:2600:1015:B079:8AE5:A47A:5C6E:7EDF:DDE3|talk]]) 05:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Edit request from 24.177.123.74, 21 January 2011 ==

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This line is bad because of the bit at the end, bolded (?) here:

* Film Actors' Guild, a fictional evil organization of liberal actors led by [[Alec Baldwin]] in the movie ''[[Team America: World Police]]''; '''a parody of the [[Screen Actors Guild]], the abbreviation FAG is part of the joke'''. 

It's unsourced, and it's article content, which is tots inapprops for a disambig p. Just delete it.

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[[Special:Contributions/24.177.123.74|24.177.123.74]] ([[User talk:24.177.123.74|talk]]) 08:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

: Right, yeah, I forgot, it's also bad english. The final comma delimited phrase should be parenthetical if it really needs to be kept. [[Special:Contributions/24.177.123.74|24.177.123.74]] ([[User talk:24.177.123.74|talk]]) 08:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

::Yup. Also, inappropriate for a DAB page. Removed. Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 09:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

{{done}}

== Small edit request: Australian slang and a candy product made there ==

Current text for this page reads:<br><br>
''Fag, a British colloquialism for cigarette<br>
FAGS (candy), former brand of candy cigarette 'fags' in Australia''<br><br>
It should be:<br><br>
''Fag, a British and Australian colloquialism for a cigarette<br>
FAGS (candy), former brand name of Australian candy cigarette (currently known as 'FADS Fun Sticks').''<br><br>
[http://www.fyna.com.au/our-brands.asp It's still selling in 2013 as "''FADS Fun Sticks''" with MARVEL Heroes advertising].<br>Can someone please edit this? And check the link for ''FAGS (candy)'' is '''FAGS_(candy)''' ?<br>Cheers!<br>[[User:CertifiableNut|CertifiableNut]] ([[User talk:CertifiableNut|talk]]) 07:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I've edited the page to include your definitions.[[User:Wyliecoyote1990|Wyliecoyote1990]] ([[User talk:Wyliecoyote1990|talk]]) 18:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I can assure you nobody in Australia calls them fags anymore. It's a British thing, not an Australian thing. [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B|2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B|talk]]) 19:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Another meaning of fag ==

Slang slur... Instead of a homosexual: A coward? A hypocrite?<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/144.85.157.130|144.85.157.130]] ([[User talk:144.85.157.130|talk]]) 11:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I don't see how this is contributing to the article - Wikipedia is not a [[WP:FORUM|forum]]. --'''[[:User:K6ka|k6ka]]''' ([[:User_talk:K6ka#|talk]] &#124; [[:Special:Contributions/K6ka|contribs]])  11:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

== For cigarette use ==
Can we remove the section used in British and Australian English? While I can't speak for Britain,  can assure you nobody calls them fags here in Australia.<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B|2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:4030:9A00:1174:5826:55D8:FE7B#top|talk]]) 19:51, 29 October 2016</small>
:According to multiple dictionaries (''Macquarie'', ''Australia Modern Oxford Dictionary'', ''Australian Slang: A Dictionary'', ''Collins Australian School Dictionary'') it is Australian slang for a cigarette. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 12:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

== Untitled ==
It is erroneous to say that 'fag' is only British slang. It is also American slang for cigarette, although some view this usage as being somewhat obsolete.

larry  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.74.250.113|79.74.250.113]] ([[User talk:79.74.250.113#top|talk]]) 00:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2023 ==

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FAG- An extremely annoying, inconsiderate person most commonly associated with Harley riders,
2. A person who owns or frequently rides a Harley, or Pickle Smoocher “stocktwitsblows” [[Special:Contributions/2601:243:C881:B590:205D:510D:A0DF:622C|2601:243:C881:B590:205D:510D:A0DF:622C]] ([[User talk:2601:243:C881:B590:205D:510D:A0DF:622C|talk]]) 08:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Actualcpscm|Actualcpscm]] ([[User talk:Actualcpscm|talk]]) 11:51, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
::We use FAG to describe harley drivers. There is your source. We the people are your source. [[Special:Contributions/2604:2D80:A488:8400:A5D2:6BB1:9716:E46F|2604:2D80:A488:8400:A5D2:6BB1:9716:E46F]] ([[User talk:2604:2D80:A488:8400:A5D2:6BB1:9716:E46F|talk]]) 10:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a reliable source [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: blue; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color:black">Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!</span>]]</sup> 18:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)