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==What Wikipedia Ignores==
This person is correct, Bingham made it more than clear from beginning to end the equal protection of the laws were the words of the Magna Carta, Article 40. He also said the equal protection of the laws were always a part of the US Constitution under the Fifths "any person" and not the Carta's "freemen." 

It is also historically incorrect to say the Equal Protection Clause was a response to black codes, as Bingham himself approved of many of them under state authority. Instead, Bingham wanted to address the denial of vindication for civil wrongs in state courts. Blacks could not sue, be witnesses, or have a jury of their peers, etc. They were subjected to unequal proceedings, fines and punishments, and denied the protection of the laws before courts of justice.

I'll kick it around for a few days over how it should be edited to conform with the Congressional Globe record.

[[User:LawPro|LawPro]] ([[User talk:LawPro|talk]]) 13:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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I have one major issue with the Equal Protection article: Wikipedia ignores the historical meaning of the phrase "equal protection of the laws" as well as ignores the application for which was intended in the 14th. Wikipedia pretends that the prhase "equal protection" has a unknown meaning which is false. The framer and the chairman of the committe of reconstruction told us exactly what it means. Why does Wikipedia refuse to reveal this?

Can you tell me what you mean? I.e., can you indicate what you believe (1) "the historical meaning" is, and (2) the "intended application" was? I'm also unsure why you believe we can take the understandings of the "framer" (do you mean Bingham?) and the chairman of the Committee of Reconstruction as determinative of the meaning of the Clause. After all, the Clause was drafted by Bingham, but it was sent to the states by the Congress ''as a whole'', and was ratified by many state legislators whose individual understandings are necessarily irrecoverable. (And this is to grant the assumption&mdash;a crucial and controversial one&mdash;that [[originalism]] is the only legitimate way in which to interpret the Clause.) Nevertheless, I readily and enthusiastically grant that Bingham's (and Stevens's) understanding of the Clause's meaning is important. But ''his understanding must be documented by sources''. Also, can you indicate where the article "pretends that the phrase 'equal protection' has an unknown meaning"? Thank you. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 09:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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The historical meaning comes from the Magna Charta 46th clause, just as Bingham said. The intended application was to prevent unequal application of the laws which are secured to all persons. Right to due process of law before one can be deprived of their life, liberty or property is a right secured to all persons. A right to a public education is not a right secured to all persons, only lawful state residents, and therefore, is not a equal protection issue. Bingham said:

"[T]he gentleman inquires, what does this mean [equal protection of the laws]? It ought to have occurred to the gentleman that it means that no State shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the Constitution of the United States, as that Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and, of course, that no State should deny to any such person any of the rights which it guaranties to all men, nor should any State deny to any such person any right secured to him either by the laws and treaties of the United States or of such State."

Yes, the proposed amendment was sent to the State legislature's for them to ratify and they were consulted to what the 14th amendment was intended to accomplish. Stevens said as much when he introduced it:

"I believe it is all that can be obtained in the present state of public opinion. Not only Congress but the several States are to be consulted. Upon a careful survey of the whole ground, we did not believe that nineteen of the loyal States could be induced to ratify any proposition more stringent than this."

My comment in regards to "unknown meaning" was a direct reference to this line:
 
"What exactly that means, of course, has been the subject of great debate..."

It makes it seem as though the framers left no record as to what it means! THEY DID!

For a complete history on the equal protection clause there is no better source then P.A. Madison's A Dummies Guide to Understanding the 14th Amendment which relies on the actual words and understanding of those responsible for the amendment!

http://federalistblog.us/mt/articles/14th_dummy_guide.htm

OK, that's all fine and good. I encourage you to contribute some of what you've written above (adding it, of course, only to the appropriate sections of the article). As to the education issue, I take it that you are arguing that ''Brown'' was wrongly decided? If you want to contribute a paragraph on that, that's fine; however, you should be aware&mdash;and add to the text&mdash;that yours is an extremely controversial position to take, and one that most (if not almost all) originalists reject. ''See'' Michael W. McConnell, ''Originalism and the Desegregation Decisions'', 81 Virginia Law Review 947 (1995) (arguing that under the original understanding of the Equal Protection Clause, ''Brown'' was rightly decided). Finally, the article says merely that the meaning of the Clause "has been the subject of great debate." That is a descriptive statement: it has, in fact, been the subject of great debate. Evidently you believe that the meaning of the Clause ''should not'' be the subject of great debate (since, to you, its meaning is obvious). However, that view does not mean that other people have not&mdash;as a matter of fact&mdash;vigorously argued about its meaning. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 10:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

==Suggestions==
First, good job on picking this topic for an expanded article, and potential feature article.  I believe it to be an important enough topic to deserve one, although I don't usually review legal topics on Wikipedia (and probably wouldn't have this one, but for your notice).

You seem to have made quite a flying start.  The only general suggestions I have are
* Have no qualms about editing extensively and ruthlessly;
* Be brief as possible, but not at the expense of clarity or the import of the topic; and
* Keep in mind that most readers will have never set foot in a law school.
These first two are also good rules for any legal writing, as I am sure you already know.

Specifically, you might want consider the following:
* In the section "The background to the Equal Protection Clause", fourth para., perhaps you should use somewhat more neutral language to describe the opposition of Southern whites to the EPC and related statutes.  I haven't been on Wikipedia as a contributor for that long, so I'm not sure if we have had significant problems with neo-Confederate vandals/trolls or not.  Still, no need to feed them any more than can be reasonably avoided.
* In the section "The beginnings of modern interpretation . . .", consider adding a para. concerning the role of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and Thurgood Marshall in this development.  Marshall and his mentor, Charles Houston, cherry-picked through hundreds (if not thousands) of cases over decades to find the best test cases to wear away at ''Plessy''.
* In the section "Who is a 'suspect class'?", consider making a brief reference to ''Lawrence v. Texas'' (2003).  Although primarily a substantive due process case, equal protection is also discussed (in O'Connor's concurring op.).  The public, and the GLBT community in particular, has awareness of this case, and it may be better to give it some mention.

Hope this helps.  Good work; and good luck toward your future efforts.
[[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 20:18, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::I've tried to respond to some of your suggestions, especially those concerning the role of the NAACP in civil rights litigation. Indeed, I've found a wonderful image of Thurgood Marshall and Charles Hamilton Houston from the Maryland state archives. This message can be found on [[Wikipedia:Peer review]] as well. Thanks so much for your suggestions. If it's not too much to ask, please continue to critique the article. What you've said is very helpful. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 03:23, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

:::I like the para. you added; it has the right amount of detail for this article, IMHO.  I agree with you on the pic, too--it's great.  I know I've seen it before, but I cannot remember where.  When you have time, take a look at the Thurgood Marshall article.  You may have something useful to contribute here as well.  [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 04:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I hope someone will critique the [[Equal Protection Clause#Affirmative action|affirmative action]] section that I've added. I must admit that I strongly favor affirmative action, and hence I fear that the section may not be NPOV. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 00:37, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
:Seems pretty balanced to me. Just a couple minor issues:
::"In every affirmative action case, the Supreme Court has employed, or has said it employed, strict scrutiny, ''since affirmative action policies categorize by race.''" seems incorrect, or mis-worded. I can easily believe all the cases that have made it to the Supreme Court were about race, but not all affirmative action policies in general. Maybe "...since affirmative action policies in these cases categorized by race.", if indeed that is the case?
::I had to look up "uninvidious" on m-w.com, and the meaning it gave (for "invidious") was different enuf from what I expected from its apparent root words, I wonder if that's really what you meant.
::In the US section of [[affirmative action]], it agrees that the modern era began with LBJ, but the intro at the top of the article mentions "... this process was established by Presidential Decree in March of 1961 by President Kennedy..."--this is way out of my area of expertise, so I don't know what it's referring to, but it would probably be good to have the articles more in agreement.
::<s>Finally, in the first paragraph (and this may have just been because I automatically read "individuals of minority background are preferred" as "individuals of ''racial'' minority background are preferred"), but it might be better if there is some way to connect the fact that the oppressed groups listed in the first sentence typically are in the minority, somewhere before the passage I mis-read.</s>I think I made the transition a bit smoother. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 04:30, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::you should link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fourteenth_Amendment_case_law.  I think more discussion of modern interpretations and implications is necessary, even at the expense of some history.  (e.g. wasn't that school drug zone case an EPC case and a departure from ?  if not, I would also use the phrase "judicial action is state action" near Shelley v. Kramer as this is the "take away phrase" of that case. [[User:Scarykitty|Scarykitty]] 07:35, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:::Scarykitty, thank you for your comments. I appreciate very much that you took the time to read the article. Here is why I disagree with your suggestions, however; please tell me if I misunderstand or misconstrue any of them.
::::#I was under the impression that the Fourteenth Amendment case law category included only that&mdash;case law. Indeed, the listing of articles on its category page seems to bear out this impression. Now certainly, all of the cases listed in the Equal Protection Clause article ought to be listed under the category of Fourteenth Amendment case law (as well as under the category called "Equal Protection cases"). But I figure listing the Equal Protection Clause ''itself'' as case law is both inaccurate and potentially confusing. 
::::#What sort of modern interpretations and implications are you referring to? If I've missed something, please add in, or perhaps you should just clarify what you mean.
::::#I'm not sure what "school drug zone case" you're talking about. The closest thing I can think of is ''[[United States v. Lopez]]'', which was a case about federal regulation of ''guns'' in school zones. ''Lopez'' was a [[Commerce Clause]] case, not an Equal Protection Clause case&mdash;though you're absolutely right that ''Lopez'' was something of a departure from post-1937 Commerce Clause jurisprudence.
::::#I think using the phrase "judicial action is state action" in summing up ''Shelley v. Kraemer'' isn't a bad idea at all. Here's what's stopping me from doing that, however: ''Shelley'' is something of a outlier in Equal Protection jurisprudence; I can't think of one significant case since ''Shelley'' that has used the maxim "judicial action is state action" to expand the reach of the Equal Protection Clause. (For example, private contracts or covenants that exclude women from country clubs&mdash;see [[Augusta National Golf Club]]&mdash;are still perfectly enforceable in the courts, despite ''Shelley''.)
:::At any rate, thanks for your helpful comments. I encourage you to participate in the never-ending editing process of this article! [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 08:18, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

:::Forgive me, Scarykitty, I just realized that I misread you; please disregard number (1) above, and I shall follow your suggestion and link to the category of equal protection cases. Best, [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 08:35, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

[[User:Zantastik]]'s addition about Bingham's statements is right on, factually. (Indeed, it was precisely those statements that [[Hugo Black]] relied on when making the case for total [[Incorporation (Bill of Rights)|incorporation]] in ''[[Adamson v. California]]''.) However, since the [[Bill of Rights]] has been incorporated not through the Equal Protection Clause, but rather through the [[Due process#Due process in the United States|Due Process Clause]], the statement doesn't belong in this article. What I shall do, therefore, is transfer Zantastik's addition verbatim to an appropriate position in the incorporation article. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 08:18, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

With due respect, I think moving the summary of the Court's holding in ''Plessy'' to the beginning of the section on the postwar interpretation of the Clause is pretty confusing. It makes the reader unsure what is being talked about. I shall therefore put it back where it was. I should say, though, that all of [[User:Neutrality]]'s other edits were, in my opinion, great. (That isn't intended to sound condescending or, alternatively, sycophantic: it's just true.) [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 08:40, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

I have enlarged and&mdash;how to say this?&mdash;deflowered the lead. What do people think? [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 21:11, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

I have added a few paragraphs on voting rights under the Clause. I haven't yet had time to write something about Bush v. Gore, but I shall do so when I can. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 07:04, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

===The lead===
The recent edit to the last sentence of the first paragraph has caused a redundancy. The last sentence now reads, "In the broadest view, the Equal Protection Clause is part of United States's continuing attempt to determine what egalitarianism should mean in practice and what 'equal protection of the laws' means." The last subordinate clause of this sentence is what is redundant, since the last two sentences of the second paragraph read: "After [the Clause's] enactment, the Constitution also guaranteed rights from abridgement by state governments&mdash;henceforth they could only make laws that protected people equally. What exactly that means, of course, has been the subject of great debate; and the story of the Equal Protection Clause is the gradual explication of its meaning." To get rid of this redundancy, I shall erase the last clause of the last sentence of the first paragraph. 

Also, I'm not sure I understand what was objectionable about the reference to "all men are created equal"&mdash;i.e., why that had to be erased. After all, equality ''was'' one of the things the Civil War was fought over&mdash;certainly Lincoln and the people who framed the Fourteenth Amendment thought so&mdash;and so I think it would be appropriate to include something about America's commitment, or at least ''purported'' commitment to equality. Indeed, I shall do so now. I hope I won't anger anyone by so acting. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 08:53, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

===From [[WP:PR]]===
Most of what constitutes this article was added by me. I plan to add more information on the history of the courts' interpretation of the Clause&mdash;esp. from the Reconstruction to the Civil Rights Movement, incl. cases such as ''Plessy'' and ''Strauder'' and ''The Civil Rights Cases''. Is there anything else I should add? I aspire to featuredarticledom. Criticism is greatly desired; lay it on me! Thanks, [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 02:00, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
:OK, so I've added some more history, and an image. I've got more work to do&mdash;I plan a section on ''Brown'' and school integration&mdash;and I would ''love'' suggestions. Thanks again, [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 04:14, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

I made some suggestions on the talk page for the article.  Looks like you have done some substantial work on this.  [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 23:21, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:I've tried to respond to some of your suggestions, especially those concerning the role of the NAACP in civil rights litigation. Indeed, I've found a wonderful image of Thurgood Marshall and Charles Hamilton Houston from the Maryland state archives. This message can be found on the talk page of Equal Protection Clause as well. Thanks so much for your suggestions. If it's not too much to ask, please continue to critique the article. What you've said is very helpful. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 03:22, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

::I like the para. you added; it has the right amount of detail for this article, IMHO. I agree with you on the pic, too--it's great. I know I've seen it before, but I cannot remember where. When you have time, take a look at the Thurgood Marshall article. You may have something useful to contribute here as well. [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 04:58, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have removed the peer review notice and am going to propose the article for featured article status. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 04:45, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

===''McCabe v. Atchison''===
I've done a little research on ''McCabe v. Atchison'', which I hadn't heard of before its addition here, and it seems that a good deal of the information included in the article about ''McCabe'' is erroneous. There were not four dissents, but four justices who concurred in the judgment (i.e., in the judgment only, not the opinion). It was not an influential decision; indeed, there have been only 18 citations of it by the Supreme Court since 1914, which is, for a purportedly important case, very, very small. (I think it's also significant that the last citation occurred 25 years ago.) I'm therefore going to erase the paragraph on ''McCabe''. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 23:37, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

==Construction of the Equal Protection Clause==

The first line of the article states, "The Equal Protection Clause is a part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, providing that "'''''no state shall make or enforce any law which shall'''''...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  The actual clause comes from the following sentence in the 14th Amendment: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".  

It seems to me that the correct paraphrase of the sentence which focuses specifically on the clause would be the following: "'''''No state shall'''''...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".  Though the three clauses of the sentence are separated by semicolons, and leaves room for ambiguity, I believe that this construction makes sense, whereas the other one does not.  The end of the clause is "of the laws", which I am assuming refers to existing laws, both federal and state.  If it was merely federal law, the construction as it exists would make sense; since "of the laws" does not differentiate, however, it is confusing to me to think of a state making a law in order to deny equal enforcement of another law of the state to a particular person or perso''Italic text''ns within that jurisdiction.  Of course, it has always been confusing to me how the Supreme Court can '''''strike down''''' laws under the Equal Protection Clause when, under either construction, the Clause seems to only prevent the denial, or unequal enforecement, of the protection which already existing laws provide to certain persons in the jurisdiction.  Even under this article's construction, the only law that would be struck down would be the law which, in my mind, confusingly is passed in order to prevent the protection another law provides to certain groups of people.  But, Con Law has never really been my thing anyways.           

In conclusion, I believe that the "blank space" that occurs before "deny" is the "shall any state" from the Due Process Clause, and not "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall..."  That simply reads better to me; if the semi-colon was a comma, as I believe we would write it nowadays, there wouldn't be any confusion, but, as it stands, the sentence appears to be ambiguous (at least to modern eyes).  I'm also not alone on this; in my brief little research to see how other publications parapharse it, I haven't found any yet which do it the way this article does it.  But, as I said, the research was brief, and any help in this regard would be appreciated.  - T.J. Swartz

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica: "In the United States, the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution...'''prohibits states from denying any person 'the equal protection of the laws''''".  Since I cannot find a single article which construes the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause in the way which this article presently does, I am going to go ahead and make the change detailed above. - T.J. Swartz

John Bingham was NOT THE AUTHOR of the Equal Protection clause.  John Bingham was effectively the author of the Due Process clause, but Thaddeaus Stevens was the source for Equal Protection.  See Benjamin B. Kendrick "The Journal of the Joint Committee of Fifteen on Reconstruction" and you will notice that Bingham proposed an amendment which would guarantee life liberty and property; then Stevens introduced an equality amendment.  The two went into a subcommittee, and emerged as one.



==Spoken Wikipedia==
I have completed recording and editing the article as of today.  However, I'm having problems trying to upload it to the servers.  (My browser keeps timing out.) If someone can help me, please reply here or on my talk page.  --[[User:Speaker Eric|Speaker Eric]] 09:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

:Nevermind, I just had to split it in two.

==Corporate personhood==
I'd always heard that some of the furthest-reaching consequences of the equal protection clause come from its application to corporations, under the personhood doctrine per Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad.  Could a knowledgeable editor add to the article about this? [[User:Phr|Phr]] 00:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, its shocking that this article got featured without any mention of the relevance of the equal protection clause to corporate law. The existing text is excellent, but thats a huge omission. [http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/04/what-is-corporation.html This clip] explains it pretty well for lack of a better source. [[User:Savidan|savidan]]<sup>[[User_talk:Savidan|(talk)]] [[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">(e@)</span>]]</sup> 07:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

::It's actually not much of an omission at all. The Clause's application to corporations is what laymen tend to know about the Clause, but there has not been an important case applying the Clause to corporations in ''decades'', and, under the rational basis test, its application is highly limited anyway. [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 09:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If there hasn't been an important test in decades, that means the result of that test is settled law and so the article should describe the situation.   Even if the application is bogus, if a lot of people have heard something about it, the article should have an explanation. [[User:Phr|Phr]] 06:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

::I'd like to see some examples of laws which have been ruled constitutional or unconstitutional under the rational basis test... not necessarily regarding corporations. [[User:Mackerm|Mackerm]] 06:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

::: This is a GLARING absence - just do the history to see who has used the 14th amendment more in court, individuals on civil rights case, or corporations defending their "rights" as they claim apply to them in the Constitution and Bill of Rights (corporations aren't mentioned in either document). <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Carterobrien|Carterobrien]] ([[User talk:Carterobrien|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Carterobrien|contribs]]) 21:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:::: I agree ''something'' should be said in the article, but, with due respect, this comment is simply incorrect.  Individuals sue under the Equal Protection Clause with ''much'', ''much'' more frequency than do corporations.  As someone who works in the federal courts &mdash; and someone who is familiar with statistics gleaned from the annual reports of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts &mdash; I can tell you that almost ''everyone'' who sues under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, which allows an action to be brought in federal court to redress a constitutional violation by a state official, is a natural person and not a corporation.  Indeed, I have never myself seen a corporation file suit under § 1983 (though it does happen &mdash; e.g., suits under the Dormant Commerce Clause etc.).  Let me add that on a personal level I'm basically sympathetic to the point that [[User:Carterobrien|Carterobrien]] is making.  But we do need to get our facts right.  [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 12:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added a very short (but, I think, well-sourced) paragraph on corporate personhood.  I hope that will assuage (the utterly justified) concerns expressed above.  [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 05:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

==Call me crazy...==

...but is that Thurgood Marshall picture 'shopped? It seems like the resolution of the picture of the room is Much lower than that of the standing figure....to me it seems like he was cut&pasted in.
What does everyone else think?--[[User:Zaorish|Zaorish]] 05:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
:<s>I think it's a painting... --<s>[[User:Rory096|<i style="color:orange;">Rory</i>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">0</span>]][[User talk:Rory096|<b style="color:orange;">96</b>]]</s>[[Special:Blockip/Rory096|<sub style="color:maroon;">(block)</sub>]] 19:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)</s> I'm an idiot, that's not the Thurgood Marshall one.

=="While it might seem"==
Here is the objectionable content that I removed:<blockquote>Although the interpretation that some classes enjoy "greater protection" might seem to be the very antithesis of "equal protection", the Supreme Court has, on some, though not all, occasions, appeared to endorse just such an interpretation of the "Equal Protection Clause".</blockquote>
"Might seem to be the very antithesis of equal protection" is a perfect example of [[WP:WEASEL|weasel words]]. Indeed, one of the [[Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words#Examples|examples]] of weasel words given by Wikipedia is "It may be that," which is close, and even less objectionable (because of the lack of the extremely weaselly "seem"), than the phrase used in this article. If it "might seem" this way, then it must "seem" so to ''certain, defined persons'', and if those persons have stated this belief, then there must be record of it. And that, friends, is where the [[WP:CITE|official policy of citing sources]] comes in. Before this "seem" phrase can be admitted to the article, it must be sourced. Right now, it is an unverified point of view posing as an innocuous report. I will therefore go ahead and remove this content again. Please, please, I beg you: cite your sources; don't use weasel words that smuggle bias into the article. Thanks. 

Further, I'm not what "greater protection" means here. What strict or intermediate scrutiny does, or indeed, what rational basis scrutiny does at its margins, is to prevent government from categorizing based on unjustifiable criteria. I'm not sure how this is "greater protection." Again, for this "greater protection" point to be anything more than badly concealed bias, it will have to be supported by citation and attributed to an authority. 
Respectfully, [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 05:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

:The article as it currently stands (as you have reverted to twice) defines "suspect class" as "status deserving of greater judicial protection"...  I'm sure you were aware of that.  For a definition like that to stand in an article titled "Equal Protection Clause" is exactly tantamount to writing "Some animals are more equal than others".  In other words, yes, maybe it ''says'' everyone has equal protection under the law, but we've decided that what "equal" really ''means'' is that certain of our "favorite" people who are "better" have GREATER protection, while other citizens, who are not born so lucky, have "less" protection".  This 20th C. interpretation is a return to pure [[feudalism]] (q.v.), it defeats the entire spirit of EQUALITY for ALL authored in the 1868 Law, and you're calling ME biased??? 

:This anomaly of ''"equal" really means "greater for some"'' deserves to be at least addressed or pointed out in the article, maybe not in my exact words, but addressed, and it should not be repeatedly censored. [[User:Codex Sinaiticus|ፈቃደ]] ([[User talk:Codex Sinaiticus|ውይይት]]) 11:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

::I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you yourself were biased. And you're right, "status deserving of greater judicial protection" is an odd formulation, which should probably be modified. Respectfully, [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 14:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

=="''Carolene Products'' under siege"==

I've erased this section.  It presented a highly tendentious view &ndash; and one not widely shared &ndash; in fact, one I've never heard of from any legal academic &ndash; as fact.  While it gave citations, it is clear that the author of the section was synthesizing disparate sources in order to present his or her own view.  This is original research, of course.  Respectfully, [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 18:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::It's now almost seven years after Hydriotaphia posted the comment above, and I agree that the ''Carolene Products'' section is still very deficient and should either be removed or drastically improved.  I will try the latter approach.[[Special:Contributions/24.181.178.235|24.181.178.235]] ([[User talk:24.181.178.235|talk]]) 10:03, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

==Civil Rights Act of 1964==

This needs to be changed since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed under the interstate commerce clause and not the 14th amendment. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Roadrunner|Roadrunner]] ([[User talk:Roadrunner|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roadrunner|contribs]]) 14:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

I change the wording of that section.  The Supreme Court's decisions on the two cases are legally consistent, and I changed things to clean up.

==This article needs a general rewrite==

The fact that the civil rights acts of 1964 and 1968 were *not* passed under the equal protection clause is noted in the footnote, but needs to be made an integral part of the text. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Roadrunner|Roadrunner]] ([[User talk:Roadrunner|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roadrunner|contribs]]) 15:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

The discussion of Title VII has been edited to reflect this fact.  That should, I think, be sufficient.  [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 05:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure ''exactly'' what the etiquette is in these matters, but I will be [[WP:BOLD|bold]] and erase the tags recently added to this article.  [[User:Hydriotaphia|Hydriotaphia]] 05:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Under the general description of the 14th it states that the equal protection clause provides the same legal rights to a non-citizen. That is clearly not true, no where does it say that any of the fourteenth amendment is meant to apply to foreign person's. This is biased misinterpretation.  [[User:Lakeraider01|Lakeraider01]] ([[User talk:Lakeraider01|talk]]) 19:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Under the general description of the 14th it states that the equal protection clause provides the same legal rights to a non-citizen. That is clearly not true, no where does it say that any of the fourteenth amendment is meant to apply to foreign person's. This is biased misinterpretation.  [[User:Lakeraider01|Lakeraider01]] ([[User talk:Lakeraider01|talk]]) 19:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

==Article needs references==
There are quoted parts that are not referenced. Regards, —[[User:Mattisse|<span style="color:navy;">'''mattisse'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 23:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


==The Equal Protection Clause applies to the federal government==

In the first paragraph, the article states that the EPC applies "only to states, not to the federal government."  While that is what the text suggests, the Court has held that the EPC does apply to the federal government, through reverse incorporation.  See ''Bolling v. Sharpe'' (ordering desegregation of DC schools).  EPC cases brought against the federal government include ''Adarand'' and ''Korematsu''.
[[User:User3290123|User3290123]] ([[User talk:User3290123|talk]]) 12:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:You should try re-reading that case again. That is NOT what the court said. [[User:Trentc|Trentc]] ([[User talk:Trentc|talk]]) 19:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

==Equal protection vs. equal rights==

I removed the following argumentative clause from the introduction:  "However, it grants equal protection, not equal rights."   It is, as I mentioned, argumentative and inappropriate for the introduction.  It also probably doesn't belong ANYWHERE in the article unless it's described as a simply one viewpoint.  [[User:Lawyer2b|Lawyer2b]] ([[User talk:Lawyer2b|talk]]) 19:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Removing Sentence in Lead==

"The Equal Protection Clause can be seen as an attempt to secure the promise of the United States' professed commitment to the proposition that "all men are created equal" by empowering the judiciary to enforce that principle against the states."

The way it is written is an opinion with not even a source of that opnion. Not to mention, the DOI states "all men are created equal" not TREATED equal.  [[User:Trentc|Trentc]] ([[User talk:Trentc|talk]]) 19:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
::Relatedly, I think the second paragraph of the lead is tangential.  It says: "More concretely, the Equal Protection Clause, along with the rest of the Fourteenth Amendment, marked a great shift in American constitutionalism. Before the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Bill of Rights protected individual rights only from invasion by the federal government. After the Fourteenth Amendment was enacted, the Constitution also protected rights from abridgment by state leaders and governments, even including some rights that arguably were not protected from abridgment by the federal government."  The problem here is that incorporation of the Bill of Rights against the states was accomplished by other parts of the Fourteenth Amendment than the Equal Protection Clause; no one (not one single legal scholar on Earth) thinks that the EP Clause contributed one iota to applying the Bill of Rights against the states.[[Special:Contributions/198.228.196.189|198.228.196.189]] ([[User talk:198.228.196.189|talk]]) 18:19, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

==Prop 8==

Didn't the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rule that Prop 8 violated the Equal Protection Clause? Why isn't this discussed here?

--[[Special:Contributions/2001:480:610:219:AC69:580D:1B41:C6AC|2001:480:610:219:AC69:580D:1B41:C6AC]] ([[User talk:2001:480:610:219:AC69:580D:1B41:C6AC|talk]]) 14:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:That ruling has been vacated by the U.S. Supreme Court.[[Special:Contributions/69.183.146.99|69.183.146.99]] ([[User talk:69.183.146.99|talk]]) 03:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

==Revisions==
I've made some changes over the past few days (under several IP addresses), but have to leave it at that for the foreseeable future.  Basically, I proofread and revised up to the end of the section titled "Discriminatory intent and disparate impact".  But now I have lots of other stuff to do.  Cheers.[[Special:Contributions/24.181.178.235|24.181.178.235]] ([[User talk:24.181.178.235|talk]]) 08:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
::It's me again.  I have now revised all the way up to the beginning of the section on affirmative action.  Other stuff beckons, so revising that last section will have to wait a while.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 02:04, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Okay, I made a few revisions to the section on affirmative action, and am now done revising the article.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 12:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

==Chronological==
For the most part, this Wikipedia article is written in a chronological format.  Therefore, insertion of stuff about corporate personhood should be done chronologically too.  Moreover, there is already stuff in the Wikipedia article on that subject:
<blockquote>It was also in the Gilded Age that a ruling by the Supreme Court included headnotes written by John C.Bancroft, a former railway company president. Bancroft, acting as court reporter, indicated in the headnotes that corporations were "persons", while the actual court decision itself avoided specific statements regarding the Equal Protection Clause as applied to corporations.[23] However, the legal concept of corporate personhood predates the Fourteenth Amendment.[24] In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the Clause was used to strike down numerous statutes applying to corporations. Since the New Deal, however, such invalidations have been rare.[25]</blockquote>
[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 21:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

==Notes section==
The Notes section has only one note in it.  The note is linked after this sentence: "Bancroft, acting as court reporter, indicated in the headnotes that corporations were 'persons', while the actual court decision itself avoided specific statements regarding the Equal Protection Clause as applied to corporations."  The note says this:
<blockquote>Persons within its jurisdiction are entitled to equal protection from a State. Largely because Article IV, Sec. 2, has from the beginning guaranteed the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States, the Court has rarely construed the phrase in relation to natural persons.[See Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 210-16 (1982) (explicating meaning of the phrase in the context of holding that aliens illegally present in a State are within its jurisdiction and may thus raise equal protection claims).] The Supreme Court hold that a foreign corporation which sued in a court of a State in which it was not licensed to do business to recover possession of property wrongfully taken from it in another State was within the jurisdiction and could not be subjected to unequal burdens in the maintenance of the suit.See Kentucky Finance Corp. v. Paramount Auto Exchange Corp., 262 U.S. 144 (1923) When a State has admitted a foreign corporation to do business within its borders, that corporation is entitled to equal protection of the laws but not necessarily to identical treatment with domestic corporations. See Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Glander, 337 U.S. 562 (1949); Hanover Ins. Co. v. Harding, 272 U.S. 494 (1926). See also Philadelphia Fire Ass'n v. New York, 119 U.S. 110 (1886).</blockquote>
My preference would be to just have text and footnotes, without a note section.  Many of the existing footnotes have sentences full of comments, so that's the format that the Wikipedia article has followed so far, except for this one Note in the Notes section.  Additionally, it would be nice if this material would be clarified.  It starts out by saying that the P&I Clause covers "citizens" instead of "persons" and therefore the Court has not analyzed it with "persons" in mind.  That's all fine, but this article is not about the P&I Clause.  When the Note says "has rarely construed the phrase", what phrase is that?  The EP phrase?  Well, the EP phrase is not in the P&I Clause, so why should the Court's P&I cases consider the EP phrase?  As far as Kentucky Finance and Wheeling Glander, why are they important?  The Court has had tons of EP decisions, so we would need to clarify why these two are particularly significant.  Is it because a foreign corporation was involved in both cases?  If so, why not explain it that way, for example "The Court has held that not only U.S. corporations but also foreign corporations are 'persons' within the meaning of the EP Clause"?  Thanks for considering this.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 10:19, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

: The note above is the product of an editing process to include the meaning of "person" and "within its protection" from the Equal Protection Clause (EPC) as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court. (Compare the EPC editing process on November 23, 2013 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Protection_Clause&diff=583004592&oldid=579913041 starting with this edit]). The original material included by me stems from [http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation18.html this source]. After completing the task of including the meaning of "person" and "within its protection" from the EPC as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution&diff=586963338&oldid=585184393 starting a new subsection at the 14th Amendment page], there is no further need for the notes section. Accordingly [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Protection_Clause&diff=586965363&oldid=586929334 I deleted the note] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Protection_Clause&diff=next&oldid=586965363 the notes section]. I hope this resolves the issue. --[[User:P3Y229|P3Y229]] ([[User talk:P3Y229|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/P3Y229|contribs]]) 16:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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'''Add citation to first sentence of last paragraph in 'Discriminatory intent and disparate impact' section:'''<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Kroll |first1=Joshua |title=Accountable Algorithms |journal=University of Pennsylvania Law Review |date=2017 |volume=165 |url=https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/penn_law_review/vol165/iss3/3/}}</ref> 

'''Add citation to last sentence of last paragraph in 'Discriminatory intent and disparate impact' section:'''<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |title=Equal Protection Design Defects |journal=Temple Law Review |date=2019 |volume=91 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/833}}</ref> 


'''Add paragraph to end of 'Discriminatory intent and disparate impact' section:'''  In addition to concerns that a discriminating statute can hide its true intention, there have also been concerns that facially neutral evaluative and statistical devices that are permitted by decision-makers can be subject to racial bias and unfair appraisals of ability.'<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |title=Equal Protection Design Defects |journal=Temple Law Review |date=2019 |volume=91 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/833}}</ref>  As the equal protection doctrine heavily relies on the ability of neutral evaluative tools to engage in neutral selection procedures, racial biases indirectly permitted under the doctrine can have grave ramifications and result in 'uneven conditions.' '<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |title=Equal Protection Design Defects |journal=Temple Law Review |date=2019 |volume=91 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/833}}</ref> <ref>{{cite journal |last1=Barocas |first1=Solon |title=Big Data’s Disparate Impact |journal=California Law Review |date=2016 |volume=104 |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/24758720}}</ref>   These issues can be especially prominent in areas of public benefits, employment, and college admissions, etc.'<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |title=Equal Protection Design Defects |journal=Temple Law Review |date=2019 |volume=91 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/833}}</ref> 


[[User:Cf2022|Cf2022]] ([[User talk:Cf2022|talk]]) 05:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)Cf2022

:{{done}} Your edit requests, {{reply to|Cf2022}}, are short and the most time consuming I have ever dealt with (the references take SOME time to go through). [[User:Ferkijel|Ferkijel]] ([[User talk:Ferkijel|talk]]) 20:09, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

:::{{reply to| Ferkijel}} Thank you so much for approving the requested edit! Please let me know if there is ever any information that I can provide to facilitate the process. I will start including page numbers in future citations referenced in requested edits, so that it is easier to review. [[User:Cf2022|Cf2022]] ([[User talk:Cf2022|talk]]) 04:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Cf2022

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== emphasis added ==

At the end the text of the clause, which appears entirely in italics (as well as being inset as a quotation) on my phone, there appears the note "emphasis added". I am not entirely sure what is supposedsupposed to be emphasized since the entire text of the Clause is in italics. Is it the phrase "equal protection under the law"? [[Special:Contributions/2600:4040:207A:AA00:514B:E12D:E286:E234|2600:4040:207A:AA00:514B:E12D:E286:E234]] ([[User talk:2600:4040:207A:AA00:514B:E12D:E286:E234|talk]]) 19:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
:Looks like it came in as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Protection_Clause&diff=next&oldid=1124754912 misguided edit] about six months ago. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equal_Protection_Clause&diff=1156626268&oldid=1148525266 Fixed now]; thanks for pointing it out. [[User:TJRC|TJRC]] ([[User talk:TJRC|talk]]) 20:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)