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==Does E.V.O. stand for anything==

I really don't think it does, despite having a period after each letter, just a game about evolution, really. Kind of weird they put periods after the letters. [[User:The snare|The snare]] ([[User talk:The snare|talk]]) 07:52, 21 October 2016 (UTC)\

== Request for requests ==
I've expanded this page into a much fuller article. I'm in the process of getting pictures uploaded to spice it up a bit, which should be up soon. There's probably a lot that's missing, but I don't want to turn this into a stategy guide either, but if there's anything else that you think is needed here, just drop me a message and I'll add it to the best of my abilities. --[[User:Canadian Paul|Canadian Paul]] 22:38, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

The article mentions a "subtext of biblical creationism".  I haven't seen anything biblical about the creationism in this game.  It involves a goddess being who assists you in creation, but no references to the bible.

Yes, I'd have to agree, there's quite a bit of a Point of View coming in, trying to label E.V.O. as being created for some sort of evolutionary theory discourse, and it's trying to pull it into the evolution argument when it never really was meant to be as such.

:I changed the wording "subtext of biblical creationism" to "subtext of a creation myth." Other than the paradise you enter when you beat the game being called "Eden," the game really has nothing to do with Christian belief. [[User:Inanechild|Inanechild]] 05:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== PC-98 game E.V.O. was based on ==
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5CeV6eRZ34&feature=related
* http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=46+Okunen+Monogatari+-+The+Shinka+Ron&btnG=Search
* http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/pc98/home/945228.html

Im not making this game up, check it out.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.129.15.93|72.129.15.93]] ([[User talk:72.129.15.93|talk]]) 00:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: None of these sources [[WP:V|verify]] the information provided, which is not surprising seeing as how it's unverifiable speculation. If there is a source that flat out says that E.V.O. was inspired by this game, then fine, add the source and keep the material. Until then, phrases such as "E.V.O. seems to be based on or at least inspired by it, even though there are several differences" do not belong on Wikipedia as it constitutes [[WP:OR|original research]] unless verified in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 15:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

:: Well, it bares the same name, it is done by the same designer and publisher, and the japanese wikipedia says this:
:: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/46%E5%84%84%E5%B9%B4%E7%89%A9%E8%AA%9E
:: So I do not think it is just unverified research.  <span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.129.15.93|72.129.15.93]] ([[User talk:72.129.15.93|talk]]) 10:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::: I just saw the perfect quote to describe this situation: "Wikipedia merely reports on establish[ed] facts, and does not draw conclusions", which I believe is an excellent summary of the point that I am trying to get across here and in my above comment. Unless you have a source that flat out says that the two are related, it needs to stay out of this article; we need direct cites, not piecing together pieces. Also, another Wikipedia is not considered a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. Ever. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 03:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

:::: Another wikipedia is not considered a reliable source?  Even when it list its own sources?  So a game that bears the same name, the same developers, the same content, same publisher, even the same music is not at all related...?  Even though the game in question in Japan was advertised as such?  Well, whatever.  I give up.
:::: But just for fun, I will add it again ;)  Cheerios!  
:::: By the way, the games even share the same cover art.  Well, the PC-98 game in question shares the same one as the US version of E.V.O., while the Japanese SNES version has a different artwork.  Yet again, we have the developers themselves saying what I am saying.  But whatever.
:::: Translated text (badly, mind you):
:::: <blockquote>■ 46 billion years story<br />
～はるかなるエデンへ～ ~ ~ Distant to Eden<br />
SFC/ (c)エニックス SFC / (c) Enix<br /><br />

PC version of the 4.6 billion-year story, a remake of the game for the SNES. ＲＰＧだったＰＣ版とガラリと内容が変わり、こちらはアクションアドベンチャー。 PC version and the rattle of RPG and content of change, this is Action. エニックスの幻の子会社『ゲームプラン２１』というところから発売されました。 Both vision, a subsidiary of the 21 games they plan to sale. 『キャラの体がパーツごとに進化する』という面倒なシステムを考えたために墓穴を掘ってしまい、キャラのグラフィック制作に大変苦労した記憶があります。 The caravan is part of every body to evolve a system of care, the thought of digging a grave for her caravan a very hard time making graphics memory.
当時､同じくグラフィックを担当したスタッフは、その後『パーツアニメ』の大家（笑）となり、ドラクエⅦでその実力をいかんなく発揮していたようです。 At that time, staff is also in charge of graphics, animation master parts, and then (laughs), the DORAKUE Ⅶ IKANNAKU to demonstrate his ability.<br /><br />

■ 46 billion years story<br />
～ＴＨＲ進化論～ ~ ~ THR evolution theory<br />
PC98/(c)エニックス/1989 PC98 / (c) Enix / 1989<br />
 ■情熱の大進化 ■ passion macroevolution<br /><br />

４６億年物語～ＴＨＥ進化論～ ~ THE 4.6 billion years of evolution theory to the story<br /><br />

ＳＦ作家『川又千秋』氏原案による『進化論』をテーマにしたＲＰＧです。 SF authors of the bill氏原Tiaki Kawamata, the theory of evolution, the theme of RPG.
『進化論がテーマって、まるでお勉強みたいだね。 The theme is the theory of evolution, I guess I like to study. 』と、周りからヒニクられるぐらい難題なテーマでありましたが、最終的にはおもしろい作品に仕上げることができたようです。 And, much to challenge HINIKU from around the theme, respectively, in the end it is interesting work we were able to finish. その理由は、川又先生を含めスタッフ全員が『進化を学術的に考えるのではなく、ファンタジーとして解釈する』という『わりきり』ができたこと。 The reason is that the teacher Kawamata, including the evolution of academic staff are considered, rather than a fantasy, as interpreted by the WARIKIRI, it could. 、音楽の『すぎやまこういち』先生が企画を大変気に入ってくださったこと、企画のダイナミックプロさんのバックアップ、完成して売れるまでお金が一円も入ってこないのに（印税制なので）がんばってくれた若きスタッフさん達…。 , SUGIYAMA KOUICHI's music teacher, is planning to love us, DAINAMIKKUPURO's backup plan, completed in the yen was sold until the money was not in it (the tax system so marked) keep me young staff And his friends….<br />
そんな『皆の情熱』がひとつになり、ゲームのテーマのように『よりよい進化』がとげられたからだと今は思っています。 That's all there is one of passion, and the game's theme as the evolution of better, and now it has been a thorn in my opinion. ▲ ▲</blockquote>
:::: http://www008.upp.so-net.ne.jp/yonegon/game.htm#46pc 
:::: Here are just a few more sources, translated into English for you:
::::* http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaroatto.hp.infoseek.co.jp%2F46okunen.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en
::::* http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://maroatto.hp.infoseek.co.jp/46sinka.htm&usg=ALkJrhgbL3b8_bQmPV7hPU05kV8CkgaXAA
::::* http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.jp%2Fgurafsander%2Fgamedera.retrogamehonbo.46_Okunen_Monogatari.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
::::* http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffu-min.vis.ne.jp%2F46okunen.htm&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
:::: <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.129.15.93|72.129.15.93]] ([[User talk:72.129.15.93|talk]]) 08:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Unverified research==
Well, every single Japanese source I could find, including the publishers and developers claim what I do.  The games bear the same cover art, same name, same music, same musical composer, I mean, that is enough if you ask me.  Here is some more information:

* http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/46%B2%AF%C7%AF%CA%AA%B8%EC
* http://wapedia.mobi/ja/46%E5%84%84%E5%B9%B4%E7%89%A9%E8%AA%9E  
* http://vgmdb.net/album/1495

<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.129.15.93|72.129.15.93]] ([[User talk:72.129.15.93|talk]]) 21:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Screenshot ==
I think that the screenshot should be replaced with one depicting the fish stage, as I think most people recognize it as the game where you're a fish. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 21:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

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