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==Poplar Station - rebuilt when Beckton Branch constructed?==
I do not remember Poplar ever being rebuilt "to provide cross-platform interchange between the Stratford and Beckton lines", so I think a citation is needed here. [[Special:Contributions/164.36.38.240|164.36.38.240]] ([[User talk:164.36.38.240|talk]]) 12:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:The original station was just a two-platform thing; nothing major. It was completely rebuilt into a four-platform station when the new branch was mooted. The primary difference / reason being the direct link across the tunnel entrance being added instead of the sole route coming down from the high-level triangular junction. --[[User:AlisonW|AlisonW]] ([[User talk:AlisonW|talk]]) 15:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

==Logo==
There're 2 logos:
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Image:DLRMark.jpg|PNG roundel with text and without transparency:
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|SVG roundel without text
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I think that SVG roundel without text is better, but what do you think? --<[[User:Flrn|<span style="color:#000000">'''''Flrn'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Flrn|<span style="color:#000000">''talk''</span>]]</sup>> 15:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==Number of Platforms Planned at Tower Gateway==
I am a little unhappy about the definitive statement concerning the platforms at Tower Gateway.  I deliberately made this vague because I was aware of a later planning application for a change of design.  However a planning application is not the same as planning consent and presumably the original application is still valid.  The fact that this has not been confirmed elsewhere leaves me unconvinced that this will happen - though I think it more likely than not and it does seem eminently sensible.

Has anyone got any evidence that there will be two platforms ?--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 17:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:DLRs website proves that there will only be one platform after the rebuild at Tower Gateway. The London Underground map also confirms this as it says the station will be closed until summer 2009 for rebuilding. [[User:Unisouth|Unisouth]] ([[User talk:Unisouth|talk]]) 17:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::The one I added and linked to was the application on which they received consent. You can't change it afterwards! There will be one *line* which is where the confusion may have arisen. --[[User:AlisonW|AlisonW]] ([[User talk:AlisonW|talk]]) 18:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::After another look through DLRs website, there will indeed be ''two'' platforms but serving one line as Alison W has said. The north platform will be for boarding and the south platform will be for alighting. [[User:Unisouth|Unisouth]] ([[User talk:Unisouth|talk]]) 06:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I feel much happier now that it is confirmed on the DLR website--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 12:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

==Archival==
I think we need the bulk of this page archived.  Could someone who knows how to do it please do so.  Some of us would be very grateful--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 18:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] ([[User talk:Simply south|talk]]) 18:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

==Developments==
Maybe these should be split per earler discussions and they make up half the article. [[Special:Contributions/147.197.173.29|147.197.173.29]] ([[User talk:147.197.173.29|talk]]) 14:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Personally I feel that that in this case it is acceptable for Developments to take up half the article as the DLR is expanding rapidly and there are almost as much being developed as already exists.  What is to be achieved by splitting it ?  Having said that I do believe we should try and keep each item short.  We don't want a week-by-week running commentary in an encyclopedia.--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 13:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

==TfL or TFL==
This has been "rescued" from the main article where it was added incorrectly.
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''Note: Although it is not [[Capitalization|grammatically]] correct, TfL nowadays seem to use mixed upper/lower case when referring to the line names on all literature, maps, signs and even labels on some trains. For example, the [[Circle line]] is always listed as Circle '''line''', not Circle '''Line'''. However, this convention does not extend to the [[Docklands Light Railway]]''.

Why say TfL only "seem/seems"? Don't TfL style guides lay down the law on every detail of presentation?
 But (A) justify your prescription
     (B) explain the mass capitalisation on the London Connections map and in TfL
         Journey Planner" says SilasW 29/04/2008
</blockquote>
from [[User:Olana North]]

:Yeah I saw it as superfluous so I removed the above from '''all''' line articles. By the way, it's definitely TfL! best, [[User:Sunil060902|Sunil060902]] ([[User talk:Sunil060902|talk]]) 11:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==South Quay Bombing==
Is it really relevant to have even a paragraph of detail on this in this article? Could it be cut down slightly? [[Special:Contributions/78.86.18.55|78.86.18.55]] ([[User talk:78.86.18.55|talk]]) 19:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, it was a major event in the history of the system, what were you suggesting be cut? [[User:Lord Cornwallis|Lord Cornwallis]] ([[User talk:Lord Cornwallis|talk]]) 19:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Tottenham hale==
Wasn't there a plan to extend the line from Stratford, through lea valley to Tottenham hale?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.45.191.224|82.45.191.224]] ([[User talk:82.45.191.224|talk]]) 21:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Euston/King's Cross extension==
The link to [http://www.hackney.gov.uk/hst_-_section_5.pdf Chapter 5: Major Transport and Regeneration Projects, item 5.6.3] given as a reference in the '''Euston/King's Cross extension''' section doesn't mention anything about extending the DLR to Euston or Kings Cross.  To Liverpool Street, Farringdon, or Charing Cross, yes.  Euston or Kings Cross, no.  In fact, Euston isn't even mentioned once anywhere in the chapter.  Is the idea original research or a deliberate hoax? [[Special:Contributions/79.74.71.162|79.74.71.162]] ([[User talk:79.74.71.162|talk]]) 15:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:I think this was genuinely investigated at least as far as Kings Cross.  I heard the boss of DLR discuss it in a talk.  However I got the impression it was "checked out" rather than pursued with vigour.  I think the proposal to Charing Cross and onward to Victoria as reported in Modern Railways is the one they will go for.  Although this was mentioned in passing in last months Modern Railways I really would like to see something more definitive before amending anything.--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 07:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

==Opening date for Woolwich==
I changed this from 28 February 2009 to early 2009.  This was because this is what DLR now currently says.  Someone changed it back again.  There may still be some old references to the original date.  However I think this was merely a contractual date by which the job had to be finished.  DLR has a history of opening before the originally specified date.  As progress is reported to be going well this would seem to be the case here.  I think the normal convention should apply here and the most recent reference wins.  All the recent references quote "early 2009".--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 19:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:If it helps, I was in Woolwich a few weeks ago at the DLR information desk. I asked what they meant by "early 2009". The woman who was there said it would open at the end of January 2009. I'm not going to add this as it would almost certainly fall within original research. [[User:D-Notice|D-Notice]] ([[User talk:D-Notice|talk]]) 22:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, thanks D-Notice.  Interesting.  I have seen 2nd February mentioned but this is a Monday so I think they will have an unpublicised opening on the afternoon of Friday 30th January.--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 07:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the [[Wood Lane tube station|Wood Lane]] and [[Shepherd's Bush railway station|Shepherd's Bush]] Overground stations are anything to go by, they'd open it on a Sunday... which would be 1st Feb. [[User:D-Notice|D-Notice]] ([[User talk:D-Notice|talk]]) 22:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

[[Special:Contributions/81.159.181.26|81.159.181.26]] ([[User talk:81.159.181.26|talk]]) 02:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC) it will be open in january...at the moment we are still testing and some building work still going but all is well and be open in january
:I saw in the last TfL board meeting minutes it's opening on [[2009-01-10]] [[User:D-Notice|D-Notice]] ([[User talk:D-Notice|talk]]) 10:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

==Template for Individual Stations wrong==
I notice that the template within articles about individual stations e.g. Tower Gateway DLR station still shows the terminus as King George V.  I would correct this if I knew how to.  Could someone who does know how to please do this ?--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 16:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:Better now? best, [[User:Sunil060902|Sunil060902]] ([[User talk:Sunil060902|talk]]) 19:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

::Yes.  Thanks for doing that--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 21:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

==Stations on former NLL==
The article says (the bullets are mine for ease of reference):

"Four new stations will be built:
*1 [[Star Lane DLR station|Star Lane]] (formerly Cody Road),
*2 [[Abbey Road DLR station|Abbey Road]],
*3 [[Stratford High Street DLR station|Stratford High Street]] (formerly Stratford Market)
*4 and Stratford International,
*5 as well as serving [[West Ham station|West Ham]] and [[Stratford station|Stratford]]."

In #3 "formerly" gives the name of a station once at the site of the DLR station, but for #1 I find no reference to a Cody Road station. Street maps show Cody Road and Star Lane almost collinear, separated by the railway and roads parallel to it. The change of name of a road, or part of it, seems irrelevant to the article.

In #5 the words connect with no subject  (4 new sta.s will be built, A B C & D, as well as serving E & F).

Canning Town ex-NLL platforms too will become DLR.--[[User:SilasW|SilasW]] ([[User talk:SilasW|talk]]) 09:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:I believe that Star Lane station was originally going to be called Cody Road, but it was changed. [[User:D-Notice|D-Notice]] ([[User talk:D-Notice|talk]]) 13:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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==Rolling Stock==
Hi all, i made three minor edits to the Rolling Stock section (replaced two words and added a comma) to improve the flow/readability of the section. I was careful not to interfere with any industry-specific terms.[[User:Darigan|Darigan]] ([[User talk:Darigan|talk]]) 13:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
: Hi Darigan.  Your edits look good to me, I'm sure no one will object to the small changes you have made.  Thanks for the contribution. —[[User:Fudoreaper|fudoreaper]] ([[User talk:Fudoreaper|talk]]) 05:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Criticisms section - explaination==
Recently a user deleted one of the setences and references in this section, dismissing it as contradictory not on topic. Firstly, although it mentions the word 'Tram' in the little, Light Railways are commonly talked about throughout, and modern trams and light railways have become increasingly similar, right down to the rolling stock used. Secondly, as long as the criticisms made are from authoritive and proper sources, they don't have to agree with each other. However, they don't actually disagree when you read into the two statements. One was a complaint that it lacked peak time capacity and was overloaded at busy periods, and another attacked the system for spending most of its time underused. The two viewpoints aren't mutually exclusive, the DLR has the unfortunant position of both lacking and overproviding capacity simotaneously, being under heavy demand for two hours of the day, more than can be managed by the existing two car system hence the upgrades, and the cars travelling along virtually empty for 80% of the day. Thus the seeming contradiction vanishes when this is recognised, the different perspectives between peak time demand verses capacity, and overall use verses potential use at maximum capacity. Neither is wrong, just different perspectives of looking at the performance of the system. Hope this was at least informative for those curious in the matter, and that the section isn't edited out again without discussion. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 15:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)<br />

Hi Kyteto, i can see your arguement. Have you got any further sources to back up this topic? The one that you have provided is of high quality, but it is five years old and the DLR has undergone, and is currently undergoing, expansion and development programmes. Something more up-to-date might prove to be a stronger substantiating source, if such a source is available. Best [[User:Darigan|Darigan]] ([[User talk:Darigan|talk]]) 15:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:Are there any stats to support off-peak underusage at present? Although I say this anecdotally, I notice that weekends also generate much traffic. best, [[User:Sunil060902|Sunil060902]] ([[User talk:Sunil060902|talk]]) 11:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::I'm afraid I haven't had much luck finding further backup to what is currently there, both the ORR and ToL publish monthly and annual statistics covering the system, but so far I haven't found any that breaks them down by the hour. All the media coverage seems to be blotted over by the future capacity expansion plans when doing keyword searches. It would be great if someone does uncover the hour-by-hour figures, if they even choose to correlate their data that way it'll be a good start. I think that the reference should be able to remain standing though, as the vast majority of references on this article actually come from older dates (I added 2/3rds of them a few months ago), and it could be reasoned that past criticisms are almost as important as current ones to demonstrate an element of progression and transition in the system. It isn't ideal though. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 12:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Chronology==
''However, the ambitions of operators were supported by politicians in Parliament, including then Labour Deputy Prime Minster John Prescott[23] and Lord Whitty,[24] and by 1996 construction work on the line commenced as proposed.[19]''
This contains an anachronism as Labour were not in power in 1996. Can someone who knows the history correct this? [[User:MRSC|MRSC]] ([[User talk:MRSC|talk]]) 09:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

:Check the reference. It isn't an Anachronism, projects need support after they've started (just look at how many things get cancelled half way though), he was a notable supporter before and AFTER, th reference specifically points to 1998. The wording is confusing, but the reference clears that right up. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 20:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

==Other locations section==
This section seems disjointed and off-topic and it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the article.  The first one-sentence paragraph is a rather vague statement that really isn't worth making.

The rest is devoted to plugging a proposal which is proposed by the London group of the Campaign for Better Transport.  It is a pressure group. As far as I am aware this is not an "official" proposal and even if it was it does not seem especially related to the article.

I would suggest we delete the whole section--[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 00:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

:I think that section could be better summarised as one sentence elsewhere, i.e. that the DLR model could be applied to the [[North and West London Light Railway]]. It certainly does not warrant a whole section as you correctly state. [[User:NRTurner|NRTurner]] ([[User talk:NRTurner|talk]]) 09:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

==the inaugural was marred==
The inaugural what?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.189.103.145|80.189.103.145]] ([[User talk:80.189.103.145|talk]]) 14:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Fixed! ("inaugural journey"). best, [[User:Sunil060902|Sunil060902]] ([[User talk:Sunil060902|talk]]) 12:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Additional Excel service==
When additional Excel services run, they start from Blackwall. Trains do not run into the Eastbound platform from Royal Victoria any more, so the points at Blackwall are used to reverse the trains. Will update when I can find a reference. [[User:WillE|WillE]] ([[User talk:WillE|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

==Beckton to Bank Services==
Is it strictly speaking correct to say that trains stopping at stations prior to Canning Town from the Beckton branch are running to Tower Gateway or Bank? Trains from the Eastern branch only run into Bank when they are running into service from the Beckton Depot, or when engineering works closes Tower Gateway. I think it might give a false impression to the casual reader. I also note that the Bank Station entry does not list trains to Gallions Reach, for the return journey to the depot.

Thoughts, anyone?

[[User:WillE|WillE]] ([[User talk:WillE|talk]]) 21:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

==We want it Mummy==
I find it remarkable that 86 per cent of the '''population''' were said to be in favour of the extension to Woolwich. Maybe the demographics are unusual but say people typically live to 70 then 14 percent could be in each 10 year cohort; I doubt if a poll is normally taken (or to be taken seriously) where infants' opinions are counted. In any case: is the report of such a poll, where controversy has died through construction, really encyclopedic?--[[User:SilasW|SilasW]] ([[User talk:SilasW|talk]]) 14:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Such poles are always daft.  Ask people in any area if they want to see a scheme that will improve public transport and I would be surprised if only 86% said yes.  Such a simplistic poll is never really a reflection of public opinion. [[User:Mtaylor848|Mtaylor848]] ([[User talk:Mtaylor848|talk]]) 14:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

==Size of article==
The article comes up with a notice about its size. A simpler style (rather than "Write a ten million word essay") might ease that and the task of reading it.--[[User:SilasW|SilasW]] ([[User talk:SilasW|talk]]) 19:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==old track bed==
Does anyone have details on what ground the DLR runs on? Through the Isle of Dogs it is on brownfield of course, and between Tower Gateway and Limehouse it is along side NR, but All Saints to Bow Church is old track bed isn't it? Is that former NR and why was it converted? Was it abandoned before? What other NR (except for the NLL) ran through the docks before the DLR replaced it? Was the Greenwich to Lewisham section on brownfield? Were buildings knocked down? Was it old NR trackbed? Pre-DLR docklands transport is something that would be good to mention in the history section no?- <span style="font-size:x-small; font-family:Zapfino, sans-serif;">[[User:JLogan|<sub>J</sub>.Logan`]][[User talk:JLogan|<sup>t</sup>]]</span>: 08:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

==DLR and Canary Wharf==
According to a Canadian documentary on OnY's history, a provision of the agreement to build Canary Wharf was that the existing metro lines (perhaps the Jubilee line) would be extended to the building site. Apparently this was a personal promise made by the Iron Lady herself, and when it was broken there was some minor political fallout. There is no mention of this in this article, and it is possible, given the timing, that this story is bogus. Can anyone provide a reference one way or the other? [[User:Maury Markowitz|Maury Markowitz]] ([[User talk:Maury Markowitz|talk]]) 10:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

==Service difficulties with the Royal train==
This is not a notable section.  There was no incident here, I'm sure worse happens everyday.  There were no injuries, no loss of life nor any damage to rolling stock.  No objections if I remove it? [[User:Mtaylor848|Mtaylor848]] ([[User talk:Mtaylor848|talk]]) 10:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll be bold and remove the text. [[User:Mtaylor848|Mtaylor848]] ([[User talk:Mtaylor848|talk]]) 10:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:I think that as it happened to a VVIP and Head of State, and attracted the attention of the national media, it forfilled the basic requirements of notability. I find it a bit of a pity that it is now gone. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 16:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I notice that the details have been re-added.  Curiously with a reference from, of all things, a daily paper from Dubai.  But the reference is surely not the most reliable of sources and in any case does not go into the detail specified.  This is the first time I have heard the claim that a police officer was involved. Previously a bodyguard or security staff were referred to. In any case if I recall correctly this was only part of the problem.  The Queen was actually slightly early whereas the train had been programmed to run to a timetable.  Personally I think far too much has been made of this minor event. However, if this is to be re-instated can we please have a reliable reference - and can we please spell "appar'''e'''ntly" correctly ?
[[User:Pedantic of Purley|Pedantic of Purley]] ([[User talk:Pedantic of Purley|talk]]) 13:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Really I accept that famous people get a little more mention.  If I were shot on the system it wouldn't be worthy of mention, yet if the queen were I dare say it would be mentioned (perhaps proof that were not as egalitarian as we like to think).  My objection here is that there was a very minor inconvenience to someone, whether they're famous or not isn't really that important when the incident itself was so trivial. [[User:Mtaylor848|Mtaylor848]] ([[User talk:Mtaylor848|talk]]) 14:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

==Inconsistency==
There are some inconstancies due to partial updates on three car trains;

*"A few stations (Elverson Road, Pudding Mill Lane (one platform Stratford Bound), Royal Albert, Gallions Reach, Cutty Sark) have not been extended to accept three-car trains; such extension may be impossible in some cases" (uncited)

*"Funding to upgrade the Beckton branch was not secured until December 2008, and the work will not be completed until early 2011. The only stations which still require upgrading are Beckton, Prince Regent and Custom House for ExCel." (cited but deadlink)

Now, from what I know Cutty Sark will never be extended and Pudding Mill will be extended when it is rebuilt when moved due to Crossrail. As the Bank-Lewisham route is finished either Elverson Road cannot be extended or it has been finished now. On the Beckton route, Royal Victoria is already extended due to Stratford International works while Beckton Park and Cyprus are already long enough.

That leaves Custom House, Prince Regent, Royal Albert, Gallions Reach and Beckton. None of these stations are unable to be extended[http://developments.dlr.co.uk/enhancements/phase2/option.asp] so the question is what is finished and what isn't. The first quote says Royal Albert and Gallions Reach while the second says Beckton, Prince Regent and Custom House. Is anyone able to find out conclusively which ones are done, which are in works and which are not yet started?- <span style="font-size:x-small; font-family:Zapfino, sans-serif;">[[User:JLogan|<sub>J</sub>.Logan`]][[User talk:JLogan|<sup>t</sup>]]</span>: 08:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:"OR" warning - if you count travelling on the line as OR. Royal Victoria - ready; Custom House for Excel West - still working on lift at West end of the platform thought looks like trains-in-platforms will be offset as protective glass on route to East end lift has been removed and platform edge refaced. Prince Regent for Excel East - still working on it, but don't know exactly what. I seem to recall Gallions Reach will be Selective Door Opening with no little change; Beckton looked complete bar the shouting a couple of months ago. 3 car trains have been spotted running dead at various times of day from the Beckton depot. [[User:WillE|WillE]] ([[User talk:WillE|talk]]) 11:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Can the DLR 100% automated ==

I seem to recall many years ago when there was London Underground tube strike that the DLR ran totally automated. Usually, there is a passenger train attendedent, but I am pretty sure being surprised there was not one aboard.

Can someone confirm this. I am talking about early 1990s....  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.146.234.179|78.146.234.179]] ([[User talk:78.146.234.179|talk]]) 21:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

just to confirm dlr has never run without anybody on board. it use to have a system called no person on board but that has been taken away and the new trains don't have that. the original plans was that every station was going to be a psa to depart the train by using two buttons that are hidden on the outside of the train. (i am not allowed to tell you the locations) hope that helps  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.194.153.96|94.194.153.96]] ([[User talk:94.194.153.96|talk]]) 16:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Map colour code ==

The map shown could use a colour code, at least for the DLR lines. I'd add one, but I'm not sure what to call that particular shade. Does is have a standard name (besides DLR color)?--[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]]) 01:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:What do you mean by "the map shown"? There are several maps in this article. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 00:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
::I think they mean the "mapcolour" parameter of the infobox, meaning the colour that is used to depict it on the tube map - e.g. the Central Line is described as "red" and the W&C "Corporate Turquoise". I have a local copy of issue 3 of the colour standards document which does not give names to the colours used for lines, but I've heard it described as "teal". [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 13:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Right, the large map in the section headed "Map".  A key would be helpful.--[[User:ArnoldReinhold|agr]] ([[User talk:ArnoldReinhold|talk]]) 16:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

== Lewisham Extension Opening Date ==

http://www.greenwich-guide.org.uk/november.htm#22 is a correct source for this - not sure where the date in Dec comes from but Cutty Sark opened later than the bulk of the Extension. To be precise, the official opening was Monday 22 November 1999 but the new section was open for free rides from the previous Saturday (20 November 1999) - I was there and used it myself as I live in Lewisham and often shop at ASDA in Crossharbour. Please can someone with more credibility than myself in this section of Wikipedia please adjust the relevant section as I don't need the arguments? Thanks in advance.<ref>http://www.greenwich-guide.org.uk/november.htm#22</ref> [[Special:Contributions/188.29.9.17|188.29.9.17]] ([[User talk:188.29.9.17|talk]]) 15:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

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== PSA ==

I genuinely do not know what ''PSA'' stands for. Could someone more knowledgeable than me please spell it out, as a courtesy to ignorant readers like me.

[[User:Herbgold|Herbgold]] ([[User talk:Herbgold|talk]]) 15:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Herbgold}} Per [[MOS:ACRO]], it's explained the first time that it's used, which is in [[Docklands Light Railway#Initial system (1987–1990)]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

My apologies, I missed that.
[[User:Herbgold|Herbgold]] ([[User talk:Herbgold|talk]]) 21:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

== Depots ==

I always thought "Sooty" was named after its number CT1, (not saying it didn't smoke a bit tho') and of course it almost always pulled a flatbed affectionately known as "Sweep"

[[User:Ripov|Ripov]] ([[User talk:Ripov|talk]]) 23:50, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

== Remaking Page Project ==

Hello Wikipedians,

I am currently remaking the WHOLE page for the DLR wiki page. I would absolutely appreciate if some other wiki editors help me and add new information for the DLR. Thanks.

I will be adding new info, as well as fixing old links etc. [[User:OfficialNeon|OfficialNeon]] ([[User talk:OfficialNeon|talk]]) 17:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

== Relocation ... ==

These sentences:

The former station stood on the only significant section of single track on the system, between Bow Church and Stratford,[85] though the opportunity will be taken to double the track in three stages, to improve capacity. There was originally no provision for works beyond the realigned section in the Crossrail Act.

Seem like they should read:

The former station stood on the only significant section of single track on the system, between Bow Church and Stratford.[85] The opportunity will be taken to double the track in three stages, to improve capacity, though there was originally no provision for works beyond the realigned section in the Crossrail Act.

Or (less preferable).

The former station stood on the only significant section of single track on the system, between Bow Church and Stratford.[85] There was originally no provision for works beyond the realigned section in the Crossrail Act, though the opportunity will be taken to double the track in three stages, to improve capacity.

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==Route map: link==
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: The problem is apparently common to all articles in [[:Category:Articles using KML from Wikidata]]. - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 10:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

: The problem was reported at [[Template talk:Attached KML]]. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 10:45, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

==extensions==
Wasn't there once talk of sending DLR trains down the Waterloo and City line? Would make a lot of sense, and abolish that otherwise rather silly line.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.135.210.152|86.135.210.152]] ([[User talk:86.135.210.152#top|talk]]) 10:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== extensions ==

Couple of points following my edits - 
Given that the "Replacement of Tower Gateway station with interchange at Tower Hill" turns out the proposal was for a "long term aspiration (2050)" is this really worth leaving in the article as a "proposed extension" for the next 30+ years? Or would this be best left in the tower gateway article.
Furthermore, many of the other extensions to bromley/victoria etc are not currently proposed and were merely suggestions/ideas in previous studies by TFL. Given they are no longer under consideration, how best to represent them? [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 22:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to reply to myself - but thoughts on consolidating the two Stratford International sections into one (given that 2011 is no longer recent)?
Leaving only Pudding Mill Lane and new future rolling stock as the "current developments" ? [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 22:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

== More needed about the Rail-Way itself ==

By "Rail-Way" I mean that which would be left if the passenger facilities were by magic completely removed - no stations, no passenger compartments, no routes.  The side box does include
''Track gauge   1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in) standard gauge''
and
''Electrification   750 V DC third rail (bottom contact)''
but there seems to be nothing in the main text.

The Article needs a section including an end-view of the track showing the shape and size of the running rails and how the third rail is positioned, showing the presumed coning of the wheels, showing how the running connection to the third rail is made - and where the platform edge goes.  There should be something on the treatment of the third rail at points.

It needs something on the motors and on which are the driven wheels.

It needs something about how the power is converted from the presumed high voltage AC power that the DLR gets from the National Grid (or wherever) - and it could say whether the third rail is positive or negative.  How much power does a train take, what is the peak power taken by the DLR, and the typical kWh/day?  What about the stations - are they supplied as a shop of similar size might be, or what?

It should be possible to cover all that within the equivalent of a traditionally-typed A4 page, plus diagrams. [[Special:Contributions/94.30.84.71|94.30.84.71]] ([[User talk:94.30.84.71|talk]]) 16:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

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== List of stations ==

The list of stations page [[List of Docklands Light Railway stations]] has a very detailed background section for a list page - shouldn't this information be here on this page (or a 'history of' page). A better example would be something like [[List of London Underground stations]], right? [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 21:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
:Agreed [[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]] ([[User talk:Murgatroyd49|talk]]) 09:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
::This has been actioned, I'll pull across any useful text to here. [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 11:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
::: I have dumped the aforementioned history section here for now [[User:Turini2/DLRsandbox]] - I'll get to it in a bit, unless someone else wants a crack at it! [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 12:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Ticket barriers ==

I'd appreciate if people would stop reverting my attempts to correct the Fares and Ticketing section.

It currently says "There are barriers at Bank, Canning Town, Woolwich Arsenal, West Ham and Stratford, where the DLR platforms are within a London Underground or National Rail barrier line." This is factually incorrect with respect to Woolwich Arsenal. Woolwich Arsenal has two DLR platforms and two National Rail platforms, all of which are accessible from three different barrier lines. One of these barrier lines is operated by Southeastern, and the other two are operated by DLR. These are the only barrier lines staffed by DLR staff throughout the network. 

I am happy to collaborate on a way of expressing this, but I am not happy with people continually reverting to a factually inaccurate state by claiming that what I am writing "doesn't make sense". [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 08:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

: Perhaps reading what you wrote above and comparing it with what you put in the article might give you a clue to your problem. Also providing a suitable reference would help. [[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]] ([[User talk:Murgatroyd49|talk]]) 08:49, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
::Can you clarify what you mean please? I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
::The content already in the section is unreferenced and wrong, so moving to unreferenced and correct is a positive step and we should not let a desire for everything to be referenced and correct prevent us from taking the smaller step. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 13:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
::: Your addition is unclear as to what you mean, you actually explain it better above. Also we have only your unsupported word that the existing statement is false. If you want to delete unsourced material, go ahead, but if you want to change it you need sources. [[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]] ([[User talk:Murgatroyd49|talk]]) 13:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Stifle}} What you originally wrote, had reverted by me, wrote again, and had reverted by me again was nonsense (which observation I included in my second edit summary and you, bizarrely, took as a personal attack). Your edits changed the understandable {{xt|There are barriers at [[Bank–Monument station|Bank]], {{stl|LUL|Canning Town}}, [[Woolwich Arsenal station|Woolwich Arsenal]], West Ham and {{stl|LUL|Stratford}}, where the DLR platforms are within a [[London Underground]] or [[National Rail]] barrier line.}} to {{xt|There are barriers at [[Bank–Monument station|Bank]], {{stl|LUL|Canning Town}},  West Ham and {{stl|LUL|Stratford}}, where the DLR platforms are within a [[London Underground]] or [[National Rail]] barrier line, and at [[Woolwich Arsenal station|Woolwich Arsenal]]{{em|, the only ticket barriers run by DLR staff}}.}} I do not understand what the words I have shown in italics mean, but you seem to think they're fine. They're not. Your edit needs rewording to say what you mean. (And you could do with a reference or citation to back-up whatever it is you are claiming.) [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] ([[User talk:Bazza 7|talk]]) 20:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== CO2 Emissions ==

I have added a section on the important topic of CO2 emissions based on official figures.  However I do not know why the figures are so much higher than London Underground (30 times!).  If anyone knows please do add an explanation...[[Special:Contributions/51.6.235.59|51.6.235.59]] ([[User talk:51.6.235.59|talk]]) 21:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

:@[[Special:Contributions/51.6.235.59|51.6.235.59]] I've removed this - as I believe the FOI number is an error, perhaps an order of magnitude out. There's no reason an electrified railway would be 30x more polluting than the London Underground! TfL's Health Safety and Environment report has these figures for a London wide basis - around 40 to 60 carbon emissions grams (g) of CO2e per passenger km (page 49) https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-hse-annual-report-2017-18.pdf  [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 10:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:See page 29 of [https://content.tfl.gov.uk/health-safety-and-environment-report-2012-13-final.pdf this report]. It gives {{CO2}} per passenger km across the range of TfL transport modes. The figures are much more along the lines of what common sense would dictate. [[User:10mmsocket|10mmsocket]] ([[User talk:10mmsocket|talk]]) 12:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

== Technical ==
Need a lot more technical detail, eg. traction current is 750 Vdc supplied through unusual "upside down" traction rail. Use and link to https://www.thetrams.co.uk/dlr/trains/ . - [[user:RHaworth|RHaworth]]  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.193.40.235|80.193.40.235]] ([[User talk:80.193.40.235#top|talk]]) 20:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Number of lines (or services) ==

I don't think that the DLR has 7 lines, as the article says.

Looking at the history (e.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Docklands_Light_Railway&oldid=601967934 ) this used to say 7 ''services'', which is very different from 7 ''lines''. For example, the District Line is 1 ''line'' with 6 ''services'', according to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=District_line&oldid=1197036906#Services its own Wikipedia article as of today].

Ultimately, 7 lines is simply incorrect. However, it's not clear what the right solution is. Options are:

- Restore the term "Services", and bring back the full list of services (as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Docklands_Light_Railway&oldid=596609767 ), AND/OR

- Change it to "lines = 3", in accordance with the colour-coding used on the TfL's own DLR maps, seen here: https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr , OR

- Maybe just remove this, or treat it all as 1 line (much like the Northern and District Lines are treated as 1 "line", despite being extremely non-linear in shape) 

[[User:Jmmolenick|Jmmolenick]] ([[User talk:Jmmolenick|talk]]) 16:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:I think anything other than the 3 shown on the maps is probably going to be original research. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 12:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::Changed it to 3 lines and added the map as a citation. Will go and make the same change here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_the_United_Kingdom#Trams_and_light_rail [[User:Jmmolenick|Jmmolenick]] ([[User talk:Jmmolenick|talk]]) 10:09, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I think you're 100% correct. Look as I might I can't interpret the three lines shown on the map to be anything more than five, but in truth I think it's three lines, two of which have branches (in the same way that the District line and Metropolitan line do on the Underground). [[User:10mmsocket|10mmsocket]] ([[User talk:10mmsocket|talk]]) 12:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

== Punctuation in captions ==

In [[Docklands Light Railway#Initial system (1987–1990)]], a caption consisting entirely of the complete sentence “A first-generation DLR train crosses West India Dock in September 1987” (sic) is missing its final punctuation. I corrected the error, by adding a full stop, with the summary “sentence missing final punctuation”. [[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]] reverted it, clearly in error. Given that a sentence requiring final punctuation is uncontroversial (and, redundantly, the MOS explicitly states that such punctuation is required), I corrected Murgatroyd49’s error by reïnstating the change, and, to ensure there was no chance of misunderstanding, this time took the extra measure of directly quoting the applicable MOS text “If any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then all sentences, and any sentence fragments, in that caption should end with a period or full stop.” lest there be any question somehow. Now Murgatroyd49 has reverted my patently obvious correction twice.

What is the procedure to handle such an obviously uncontroversial “controversy”? What do I need to do to get the correct text to be left in place and not repeatedly un-corrected? [[User:Stephan Leeds|Stephan Leeds]] ([[User talk:Stephan Leeds|talk]]) 10:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

: Why did you pick just one caption to complain about and ignore all the rest? The MOS is when you have a caption of the following type. "This is a widget. The first widget was issued to the RAF in 1942" There you already have a complete sentence at the beginning of the caption, therefore the the second part should also be a complete sentence, including a full stop. [[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]] ([[User talk:Murgatroyd49|talk]]) 10:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:No punctuation on that single sentence is absolutely correct. I really don't see what the issue is. I support  @[[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]]'s interpretation of [[MOS:CAPTION]] [[User:10mmsocket|10mmsocket]] ([[User talk:10mmsocket|talk]]) 10:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:10mmsocket|10mmsocket]], @[[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]]: I disagree. [[MOS:CAPTION]] states "However, if any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then every sentence and every sentence fragment in that caption should end with a period." So, as the caption reading {{xt|A first-generation DLR train crosses West India Dock in September 1987}} contains a complete sentence, it requires a terminating full stop. I've not come across any other interpretation of [[MOS:CAPTION]]. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 12:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:::With that interpretation then every caption on that page needs a full stop. [[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]] ([[User talk:Murgatroyd49|talk]]) 12:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Murgatroyd49|Murgatroyd49]]: No, only those containing a complete sentence (with or without addition fragments). For example, the infobox picture ({{xt|A DLR train at Canary Wharf station}}) does not; nor the first two of the section on "Extension to Stratford International (2011)" ({{xt|The Stratford International DLR forecourt, soon after opening in 2011}} and {{xt|Abbey Road under construction in April 2010}}), whereas the third (currently a stop-less {{xt|The resited Pudding Mill Lane features new, wider platforms}}) and fourth ({{xt|The London, Tilbury and Southend line (foreground), operated by c2c, runs alongside the DLR (behind the fence) from Limehouse to Tower Gateway.}} with a stop) do.
::::For another example which contains a mix of caption types, picked at random article from my watchlist, take a look at {{section link|University of Oxford|Main sites}} for a mix of caption styles, including single sentences.
::::I have edited all the Docklands article's captions to conform, for illustration. Happy to be reverted afterwards if this discussion needs to continue. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)