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=="Norway in 1905"==
'''Norway in 1905''' isn't a very good name: the article is only about one set of events (unlike, for example, [[1905]]). How about '''Norwegian independence 1905'''? I know it's tricky because of how Scandinavian politics worked before WWII, but I think we can do better than this. --[[User:Taejo|Taejo]] 18:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

: I agree that the title '''Norway in 1905''' wasn't particularly descriptive of the subject matter, having reached the page only through a fairly convoluted set of links while hunting to see if the topic was covered.  Since no one's commented in the six weeks since [[User:Taejo|Taejo]]'s inquiry, I renamed the page to '''Separation of Norway from Sweden in 1905''' &mdash; I think the new name will be more easily found in searches. -- [[User:JonRoma|JonRoma]] 18:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

::I believe an even better title would be 'Dissolution of the Swedish-Norwegian Union' (see e.g. [[Union Dissolution Day]]), but I'm not gonna make a big deal of it. [[User:Eixo|Eixo]] 21:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

:::How about the title of this page as "Norway-Sweden Dissolution" because it wasn't really Norwegian independence from Sweden. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.213.213.9|172.213.213.9]] ([[User talk:172.213.213.9#top|talk]]) 23:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)</small>

::::''Independence of Norway from Sweden in 1905'' is the wrong name for this article. In everyday conversation it might be OK to juggle terms around a bit, but not here. Norway was not dependent on Sweden. Norway and Sweden were to separate countries in a personal union. A great deal of stress was put on the equality of the union from both sides early on. The king of Sweden was not the King of Norway, the same person was king of both countries separately. In addition to this the only thing in common was foreign policy. Again it is popular to say that Norway's foreign policy was in the hands of Sweden. Informally it is true that Swedes dominated in the foreign service. But formally it was a joint foreign service serving two countries. Norway did not celebrate 100 years as an independent country in 2005, it marked the centenial of the dissolution of the union with Sweden. [[User:Inge|Inge]] 15:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

==Cultural effects==

I posted this in the main article about the union but realized it probably belongs here. I think it should be mentioned in the article that liberal powers within Sweden supported Norwegian independance and that the national romantic era in Norway had a significant impact on Swedish culture and politics. [[http://www.amazon.com/Sweden-Visions-Norway-Politics-1814-1905/dp/0809324415/ref=sr_1_16/002-3014404-5647228?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193132925&sr=8-16]] The image people (accross the board) have of the union may not necessarily be correct. Any thoughts? [[User:Nastykermit|Nastykermit]]

== People in category "Norwegian people of 1905" ==

Pages in category "Norwegian people of 1905".  Should they be merged t a section on this page?  --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 22:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

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The following 15 pages are in this category at 22:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

B

    * [[Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson]]
    * [[Sigurd Bødtker]]
    * [[Christopher Bruun]]
    * [[Karl Sigwald Johannes Bull]]

C

    * [[Wilhelm Christopher Christophersen]]

	
F

    * [[Øvre Richter Frich]]

G

    * [[Arne Garborg]]

H

    * [[Haakon VII of Norway]]
    * [[Thomas Heftye]]
    * [[Gunnar Heiberg]]

	
H cont.

    * [[Frederik Hilfling-Rasmussen]]

I

    * [[Sigurd Ibsen]]

M

    * [[Maud of Wales]]
    * [[Christian Michelsen]]

N

    * [[Fridtjof Nansen]]
</blockquote>

===[[Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson]]===
Bjørnson, a Norwegian writer and the 1903 Nobel Prize in Literature laureate, had done as much as any other man to rouse Norwegian nationalistic feeling, but in 1903, on the verge of the rupture between [[Norway]] and [[Sweden]], he preached conciliation and moderation to the Norwegians. However in 1905 when Norway was attempting to dissolve the forced union with Sweden, Bjørnson sent a telegram to the Norwegian Prime minister stating, "Now is the time to maintain a united front." The minister replied, "Now is the time to keep our mouths shut."<sup>[Grøndahl, Carl Henrik; Tjomsland, Nina (1978). The Literary masters of Norway: with samples of their works. Tanum-Norli. SBN. {{ISBN|9788251807272}}. http://books.google.com/books?id=EwROAAAACAAJ&dq=The+literary+masters+of+norway.]</sup>

===[[Sigurd Bødtker]]===
Sigurd Bødtker, a Norwegian theatre critic, in 1905, agitated for dissolution of the union between Norway and Sweden through a pamphlet.

== Nonsensical statement ==

"Swedish King Oscar II's disappointment with Norway had reached critical mass - calling for the excommunication of Norway and the later celebration of 12 May throughout Sweden."

Maybe this makes sense in some other language,  but in english,  it is nonsensical.   "disappointment...  reached critical mass",  is an absurd metaphor.  And what does "the excommunication of Norway" mean ?   Kicking them all out of the Lutheran Church ?   Or what ?

It seems hardly plausible that the King was actually keen to expell half of his kingdom.  And doubtful that his Swedish Government would have, either.

I'm going to go ahead and remove this material, as it is nonsensical and lacks a citation. Also, please sign talk page posts using four tildes. [[User:Mgs2804|Mgs2804]] ([[User talk:Mgs2804|talk]]) 17:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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