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==Untitled==

Wondering how to edit this City Entry?<br>
[[Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states|WikiProject U.S. states]] might help.

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Why was the first Dallas skyline picture replaced? The preceding picture was far better than the current one. [[User:BoNoMoJo|B]] 20:05, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)

:I agree, the new picture is worse.  I tried reverting it and it didn't seem to work (plus, I only clicked REV once and the page makes it look like I clicked it 3 times).  I guess I don't understand the image files.  We need someone to revert it back.  [[User:Jfitts|Jfitts]] 21:58, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

:The problem with reverting the picture seems to have worked itself out.  The original skyline photo is back in place.  I re-uploaded the incorrect photo with a different name so the user who uploaded it can use it elsewhere. [[User:Jfitts|Jfitts]] 05:02, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

==Religious bias?==
The section on religion in Dallas seems rather flip and perhaps biased -- almost the sort of put-down one would expect from a New Englander talking about anything Southern. I spent my entire adult & professional life in Dallas, and I was always much more aware of the large number of not only conservative ''Baptist'' churches, but ditto Methodist, Assembly of God, and many other fundamentalist types. This also ignores the influence of the Episcopal Church among the older semi-wealthy segment of the population (as shown by the reputation of St. Mark's), and also the fact that the Jewish community in Dallas, though small compared to someplace like New York or Chicago, has been influential for a very long time. (Look at the Neiman and Sanger families, among others.) Not to mention the significance of the Roman Catholic church among the constantly growing Hispanic population of Dallas. (I say all this, by the way, as a card-carrying secularist.)<BR>
::Sorry -- this was from me, but I neglected to sign it. --[[User:Mksmith|Michael K. Smith]] 18:22, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

::I agree that the religion section needs to be rewritten.  I joined Wikipedia in late 2003 and as a resident of Dallas I have been tweaking this article ever since.  There are several sections that still need to have the POV removed, the religion section being one of them.  This has been on my to-do list for a while.  Your note has encouraged me to work on it again... but I notice on your user page that you list this article as having a heavy rewrite in the works.  Have you already started a rewrite of the religion section (or any other section)? --[[User:Jfitts|Jfitts]] 15:09, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

::I echo the sentiment of the original post.  I'm bothered not only by the article's chip-on-shoulder tone about Protestant morality in Dallas (contrasted with the high divorce rate and drinking establishments that apparently "line the avenues", whatever that means), but also by its sketchy grammar and dubious logic (e.g., Dallas isn't in the Bible belt ''because'' of the Protestant influence on the city, it's in the Bible belt because that's where it's located; it would be more accurate to say that the Bible belt extends into Texas because cities like Dallas have a large Protestant influence, etc.).  I think it's clear that the author was trying (ineffectually) to prove a point with this paragraph, but it adds nothing to the article and seems remarkably out of place, especially since no other city I could find has a similar section.  The only thing keeping me from deleting it outright is your promise to clean it up.  Please, please do.  -- Aubrey, 4 Nov 2004

I agree that the Religion section is lacking NPOV. I took a first stab at clean-up by removing the following text: <i>Although the avenues are lined with drinking establishments...</i>. Not only is it too subjective to belong in the article, but, for the reasons mentioned by Aubrey, it seems biased. - [[User:Walkiped|Walkiped]] 02:42, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

==I think a rewrite is in order==

I think it's about time we start rewriting this article.  There are three problems I'd really like to address:

* This article has entirely too much trivia.  The bottom half of the article is almost entirely lists of things.  While none of it is incorrect or even needs to be removed, the information needs to be presented differently.  Much of the information (history, ''especially'') needs to be incorporated into an honest-to-God, full-blown section.
* The article ''partially'' addresses the city of Dallas, but quite a bit of it would be more appropriate in an [[Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex|area-wide article]] (it's just the nature of this town - things are scattered all over in multiple cities).  The article repeatedly makes mention of companies headquartered in the suburbs, people from the area born in suburbs and sports teams that aren't actually in Dallas.  Some of the information needs to stay, of course, but much of the article covers Dallas from a region-wide, suburban perspective.
* Finally, the article is just really lacking in substance.  Now, you could argue that it's just like the city of Dallas itself in that regard (and I can't completely disagree) ''but'' there is so much more that Dallas has to offer and I'd like to see the article reflect that.

So.  Who's with me? :)  I'll start working out a general outline.  Anybody who has comments or would like to contribute, please make a note of it below.  Thanks!  [[User:RadicalBender|R<small>ADICAL</small>B<small>ENDER</small>]][[User talk:RadicalBender|<small>&#9733;</small>]] 21:00, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:Here's the start of an [[Talk:Dallas, Texas/Outline|Outline]].  [[User:RadicalBender|R<small>ADICAL</small>B<small>ENDER</small>]][[User talk:RadicalBender|<small>&#9733;</small>]] 22:30, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== George M. Dallas ==

didn't become VP until March 1845... [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 00:14, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Awfully white ==

For a city with such a dynamic Mexican-American community, which was part of the cotton belt, where Deep Ellum was once an important place on the map of the blues world, and where the caste system has only started to break down in the last half-century this article presents an awfully white Dallas. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 19:01, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

== Edie Brickell ==

I notice the addition of [[Edie Brickell]]. The article on her doesn't say where she's from, but I thought she was from Austin. Was she perhaps a transplanted Dallasite who made her name in Austin? Or am I totally mistaken? -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 02:57, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)


:I know she graduated from DISD's Arts Magnet High School (now the "Booker T Washington School for the Performing and Visual Arts"), and used to go back there and perform when the New Bohemians were big.

:Also, her [http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/brickell_edie/bio.jhtml VH1 biography] has her born in Oak Cliff.

::OK -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 19:10, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

== Intro length ==

The article introduction is over-long;  the style guide sets a strict limit of three paragraphs, this article has six -- and a bullet-point list to boot.  The material on history, and speculation as to the origin of the name, could surely be moved into the body of the article.  [[User:Alai|Alai]] 19:11, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Removed text==
I removed the following, due to it being untrue and nonstandard:
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All photos courtesy of the web site of John Roberts : http://www.miduppertexas.com/dallas/dallas.htm.

Someone may want to go through the unverified photos and see if they're from that site. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]]) 14:19, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Images Dallas5.jpg and Dallas6.jpg clearly appear on the frontpage of that site, which also resolves to http://www.dallasarchitecture.info/dallas.htm.  Both images are now marked as possible copyvios (one by me and one by a previous editor).  The site also has archives of a number of other images.  I didn't go digging to see if any of the other images in the article had been taken from there, but they could have been.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 15:37, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

== Population: citation? ==

Recently, anonymously added: "According to more recent projections/estimates (From [[2005]]) the [[Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex]] has reached a population of 6,000,000." Sounds about right, but does anyone have a citation on this? -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 15:23, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)


Just a minor spelling correction: The plural of "tornado" is "tornadoes" not "tornados". 
Daninbigd

== Upside-down picture ==
Uh, anyone else notice that the night picture from the International Space Station is upside down when you click on it to see it larger? Actually, I don't know which way is right, but one of them is upside down.

Yes, That is the way it was taken.  I noted that in the original caption but someone edited this information out.  I will rotate the image and reload. [[User:Zyzzy|Zyzzy]] 2 July 2005 18:21 (UTC)Zyzzy

== Satellite images ==
Is it really necessary to have four (count 'em) satellite images of the Dallas area on the page? I mean, there's the first one under, 'Geology', which outlines the different geographical regions, then there's the landsat 7 image, then the ISS image, and finally some image supposedly taken by an astronaut which doesn't really show much anyway. One would think we could probably reduce these images, and perhaps add other pictures, perhaps pictures of actual things and points of interest in the city itself? [[User:Derek.cashman|Dr. Cash]] 16:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

== Census designations ==

[[User:UH Collegian]] added information about the new Dallas—Plano—Irving metropolitan distinction created by the US Census.  I removed this.  I'm not challenging that this is probably true, but I don't think it is useful to describe the Metroplex in this way.  The existing introduction follows the way the area is usually described by people familiar with it, and I think the introduction should stay that way.

I presume the census distinctions are useful for census takers, but they tend to be unfamiliar.  For example, if we followed census distinctions, the [[San Francisco Bay Area]] would be renamed the "San Jose Bay Area".  Common english descriptions just work better for introductions.  I wouldn't object however if you want to add this material to the demographics section of the page.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] July 7, 2005 06:06 (UTC)

:No, I did not make that up. Here is a link to the source: http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/metro-city/List4.txt The Dallas&mdash;Fort Worth&mdash;Arlington Metropolitan Statistical Area (official title) has two "metropolitan divisions", something that was created in 2003 by the U.S. Census.  The two newly created metropolitan divisions within the Dallas&mdash;Fort Worth&mdash;Arlington MSA are Dallas&mdash;Plano&mdash;Irving and Fort Worth&mdash;Arlington. I was trying to provide FACTUAL information but something factual and hardcore fact with proof was denied and reverted! [[User:UH Collegian|UH Collegian]] 7 July 2005 06:33 (UTC)

:::Having family in Dallas, I can tell you that it is simply not how residents refer to area.  I still don't believe it makes sense to replace the well-known Metroplex term in the introduction with fairly arbitrary amalgams only used by the census.  As I said, I'm happy to mention it in the demographics sections.  Do you disagree that far more people refer to the area as the Metroplex?  

:::I see now that you have clarified this in a new version to retain the well-known Metroplex term.  I still disagree with the prominent usage of Dallas—Plano—Irving metropolitan division since I think it is weird, without being particularly useful.  However, I won't revert it again without getting other opinions.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] July 7, 2005 07:09 (UTC)

::::I just thought it would be interesting to include Dallas&mdash;Plano&mdash;Irving since it is something new. I did not mean any harm by including it. It's more like a trivia and thought something people should know or be aware of. Also, the census never had a "metropolitan division" for certain defined metropolitan areas until 2003. I included it because I thought it was a good example sine the DFW metroplex is the only metropolitan area in Texas that has a "metropolitan division" designated by the U.S. Census. [[User:UH Collegian|UH Collegian]] 7 July 2005 08:07 (UTC)

::As for the "San Jose Bay Area" and/or "San Francisco Bay Area", those are NOT the official titles. They are really San Francisco&mdash;Oakland&mdash;Fremont and San Jose&mdash;Sunnyvale&mdash;Santa Clara. In addition, the San Francisco&mdash;Oakland&mdash;Fremont has two "metropolitan divisions" and they are Oakland&mdash;Fremont&mdash;Hayward and San Francisco&mdash;San Mateo&mdash;Redwood City.[[User:UH Collegian|UH Collegian]] 7 July 2005 06:39 (UTC)

:::Okay, technically I am refering to the 2003 change from the San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA Combined Statistical Area to the San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA Combined Statistical Area, effectively giving San Jose top billing as a bay area city despite San Francisco traditional placement.  Much of the news coverage at the time refered to it as the "San Jose Bay Area" as a result.  Also, I don't think we should get hung up on census designations as "official" titles.  Certainly, many city governments make usage of terms like "San Francisco Bay Area" and "Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex", which is an official endorsement of a sort.  Besides, who wants to talk about living in a "combined statistical area"? [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] July 7, 2005 07:09 (UTC)

==Incorrect information is displayed==

The "city" of Dallas is the third in TX and 9th American largest city, according to the [http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/tables/SUB-EST2004-01.xls 2004 Census Estimates]. See: [[List of United States cities by population]]. --[[User:147.97.138.210|147.97.138.210]] 18:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

:Dallas will be the second largest city in the state of Texas until the next official U.S. Census 2010. Also, I have noted on the Dallas introduction that the city is now third and ninth in Texas and U.S. respectively as of the 2004 estimates. Until, the 2010 U.S. Census, Dallas will be the second largest city officially. Please note that the above annon user is a sockpuppet of Zereshk. & ndash; [[User:UH Collegian|UH Collegian]] 19:16, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

::Not according to the US govt. Because the US govt uses the 2004 estimate figures, not the 2000 figures, as Z has pointed out. See [[List of United States cities by population]].--[[User:Nightryder84|Nightryder84]] 19:24, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

:::The above new user is suspected to be a sockpuppet of Zereshk to get his ways. As of this edit, that user only has 3 edit contributions. That new user account was created today as a result of my accusations of the annon. Stop the San Antonio fanatic sockpuppets. [[User:UH Collegian|UH Collegian]] 19:27, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

::::The above user has a history of attacking Z, and is now attacking me, and I will take him to ArbCom if he doesnt shut up.--[[User:Nightryder84|Nightryder84]] 19:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

==Shopping malls?==
I'm curious why there's an entire section dedicated to "shopping malls" in Dallas? Is this really notable in an encyclopedia? There's shopping malls in virtually every major city or metro area in the U.S. (and abroad), so why is Dallas special? Also, where did the statistic of, "most shopping malls per capita in the U.S." come from?!?! [[User:Derek.cashman|Dr. Cash]] 05:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
::Maybe it's there to point out politely the obscene materialism prevalent in dallas.  The shopping malls are where the city's soul is.  A monument to greedy capitalism.

== First or Second in crime? ==

From the [[Dallas, Texas#Crime|Crime section]]:
:''The crime rate in Dallas has been ranked second in the country for large cities from 1998 to 2003. Most of the cities nieghborhoods are relatively immune to the more violent crimes which tend to be concentrated within a few blocks of major expressways and around garden-style apartment complexes. Dallas' crime rate has been ranked 1st from 1998-2004. In '95, there were a record 280 murders. Now, Dallas usually averages 230-235 slayings a year.''

This seems self-contradictory.  More specific statistic, anyone?  With a source? [[User:GTBacchus|GTBacchus]] 07:15, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

== People and culture ==

I'm new to Wikipedia, but would like to do some work polishing up this article.  I agree with most of the comments on this page.  Yes, the artice seems rather 'white' for a city that is barely majority caucasian right now and will probably be majority minority in the near future.  

I also agree with much of the comments in the Featured artice candidate objections.  People and Culture could use some clean-up.  

I'm esp. confused by

''Major U.S Networks (i.e CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX) have flagship transmitters in the city which helps the network broadcast well, especially if there is something wrong with electricity in the New York Area it can still be broadcast because of these transmitters. This was especially used during the 2003 North America blackout.''

I know something about network broadcasting, but I don't have a clue what a 'flagship transmitter' is.  Yes, networks have Owned-and-Operated stations, but those are the station's transmitters, not the networks; just like any other television broadcast transmitter. They don't help the network transmitt any better.  Networks don't broadcast, stations do.  Networks simply supply programming to stations via land-line or sattlite link.  1) I think this statement is flat out wrong.  2) Even if it is right, it's a trivial piece of information that isn't useful to the artice.  The major networks do not have an importaint presence in Dallas other than their affiliate stations, and only some of them are owned-and-operated.  I'd like to delete these two sentences, but since I'm so new to Wikipedia, I don't want to do it without some feedback from others.  

I also think the artice to much emphasas on crime.  1) it's mentioned in the lead 'People and Society' paragraph and then is repeated in it's own seperate sub-heading.  While the facts may be true, I don't think the average resident of Dallas considers crime to be that importaint a problem compared to other major American cities. 

Comments would be appreciated.  --[[User:Jleeper|Jleeper]] 20:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

== Who's writing neighborhood/districts in?  Your content is being moved.. ==

There are specific neighborhood pages defined at the bottom of the page in the Dallas neighborhood template box.  Please do not discuss neighborhoods at length in the major article.  I'm moving the information, if relevant and not already existing, to their respective pages.  Also, if you're going to start a new neighborhood page or edit an existing one, I would appreciate it if you followed the layout so we can have some uniformity.

Also, *someone* (I assume the person putting in neighborhoods) moved the notable structure list into the neighborhood section.. or renamed notable structures 'neighborhoods.'  Please be careful with editing if you aren't experienced.

==Satellite photos==

Does this article really need ''four'' shapeless, meaningless blobs which might be satellite photos of Dallas but might also be ant-heaps? [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 11:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

== Climate ==

Hi,

I was hoping to find something like the following for Dallas (dates for highest and lowest temperatures).  Would it be possible to add this information?

Seattle's hottest temperature ever recorded was 100 °F (37 °C) on July 20, 1994 and the coldest temperature ever recorded was 0 °F (-17 °C) on January 31, 1950.

Best regards,
Charles

:Not sure what good it is, but that all time high was 113 F, June 26 & 27, 1980.  A certain uncle of mine felt it was a wonderful time to go jogging around White Rock Lake and collapsed in the process.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 03:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
::TX Climatology Information [http://www.netstate.com/states/geography/tx_geography.htm]  Dallas Climatology information:  [http://web2.airmail.net/danb1/climate.htm#Dallas] <b>&mdash; &nbsp;</b>[[User:Kaiserb|<span style="color:#990000; font-family:system;">Kaiser</span><span style="color:#006600; font-family:system;">B</span>]] 03:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

== Neighborhood Content ==

Hey, again, If you wanna make neighborhood content, make it correctly.  Separate pages, people.. the Dallas page is already almost 50kb.. [[User:Drumguy8800|Drumguy8800]] 02:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Corporate headquarters  ==

--From the Intro: "The metro area is the largest concentration of corporate headquarters in the United States"- does anyone have a source for this? The term "corporate" seems very imprecise here, and I'm certain it's not referring to Fortune 500 headquarters. --[[User:Jleon|Jleon]] 02:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
:Although I have written virtually none of this page I do know there are  7,000 companies, 19 companies in the Fortune 500 Public businesses and 16 companies in the Fortune 500 Private businesses.  Data here:[http://www.drelocation.com/Texas/dallas/dallas.htm] <b>&mdash; &nbsp;</b>[[User:Kaiserb|<span style="color:#990000; font-family:system;">Kaiser</span><span style="color:#006600; font-family:system;">B</span>]] 03:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

--Thanks, but that source does not say anything about it having the ''most'' corporate headquarters. Its also strange that it lists these headquarters as a "major industry" even though they certainly belong to different industries themselves. 7,000 doesn't seem even like that many to me, especially seeing that just about any business can be incorporated. --[[User:Jleon|Jleon]] 03:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== History? ==

What was happening in Dallas during the period of rule of Spain? What native tribes lived here? Were there any Spanish ventures into the area, or was it just a wilderness that Spain claimed but never settled? [[User:Stallions2010|Stallions2010]] 00:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== Edit request from TimJack310, 17 April 2010 ==

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Dallas info on coldest temperature needs to be corrected.  Coldest temperature ever was not 1 degree F in 1989...it was -8F from 1899 per the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association).  Also, NOAA has -1F as the lowest in 1989 and not the 1F that is posted.  Thanks!
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[[User:TimJack310|TimJack310]] ([[User talk:TimJack310|talk]]) 19:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Can you just give us the link to the NOAA info? <span style="border:1px solid;">[[User:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;">&nbsp;fetch</span>''']][[User talk:Fetchcomms|'''<span style="color:black;">comms</span>''']][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:black;">☛</span>]]</span> 19:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Found it [http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/?n=dgr8mxmn here], and went ahead and changed the record high & low in the article, but the Dallas weather table is not fixed yet. Seems to me that the National Weather Service would be the most reliable source for temps, but I see quite a few inconsistencies between the table in the article and that source. —[[User:LiberalFascist|Joshua Scott]] <small>[[User_talk:LiberalFascist|(LiberalFascist)]]</small> 22:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:::{{done}} I corrected {{tl|Dallas weatherbox}}, so the box is correct now. —[[User:LiberalFascist|Joshua Scott]] <small>[[User_talk:LiberalFascist|(LiberalFascist)]]</small> 23:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== omg ==

texas is to  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.0.41.29|69.0.41.29]] ([[User talk:69.0.41.29|talk]]) 21:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Well, I guess this says it all...hopefully, the poster was not rendered suddenly and catastrophically digitally mute by a massive subdural cerebral event, but was simply overwhelmed by the grandeur of Texas ;-)<br />
:[[User:Mccalpin|William J. &#39;Bill&#39; McCalpin]] ([[User talk:Mccalpin|talk]]) 16:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

funny post.  thanks.  Dallas rocks. [[User:Erehwon37|Erehwon37]] ([[User talk:Erehwon37|talk]]) 23:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Education==
I added an education section.  People moving here want to know about the schools.  [[User:Erehwon37|Erehwon37]] ([[User talk:Erehwon37|talk]]) 23:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Population Ranks ==

Dallas has a population of 1,406,350 the population ranks are old, it should be changed to this: Dallas would be the 2nd largest city in Texas and the 7th largest city in the USA.  Ladarron June  16, 2010  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ladarron|Ladarron]] ([[User talk:Ladarron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ladarron|contribs]]) 05:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No, you are wrong. Dallas is the third largest city in Texas. Find ar reference that supports your claim.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.83.53.249|206.83.53.249]] ([[User talk:206.83.53.249|talk]]) 16:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Requested move ==
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:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of a [[WP:RM|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''no move'''. [[User:Deacon of Pndapetzim|Deacon of Pndapetzim]] (<small>[[User talk:Deacon of Pndapetzim|Talk]]</small>) 17:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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[[Dallas]] → {{no redirect|1=Dallas, Texas}} — The city is used in most reliable sources. [[User:75.142.152.104|75.142.152.104]] ([[User talk:75.142.152.104|talk]]) 23:38, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' another rename request by {{user|75.142.152.104}} [[Special:Contributions/76.66.200.95|76.66.200.95]] ([[User talk:76.66.200.95|talk]]) 04:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dallas is the city in Texas for by far the majority of people  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fabzzap|Fabzzap]] ([[User talk:Fabzzap|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fabzzap|contribs]]) 14:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Comment:''' It is important to consider that this is ''not'' just the American Wikipedia, this is the Wikipedia '''for the entire English language'''. Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and other English-speaking countries share this Wikipedia with an importance no less than the United States. As we can see at [[Dallas (disambiguation)]], there are many other cities out there worldwide that are named Dallas. Although in the United States Dallas is most likely going to mean Dallas, TX, it may not be that way in other English-speaking countries. Many other Wikipedia articles on major cities only use the city name in the article title, omitting the state/country name, which would be understandable on major cities like [[New York City]] and [[London]] that are well known worldwide by only the city name, but on a smaller city (in comparison), like Dallas, TX, we need to know whether it is the city referred to most by only its name among English-speaking countries worldwide, before we name its Wikipedia article using only the city name.<br><br>And we should not oppose a move request just because it was nominated by a certain user. We should only give our opinions based on what we think about moving the article in question, taking into account Wikipedia naming conventions like [[WP:Article titles#Common names]], not based on who nominated the article. [|[[User:Retro00064|Retro00064]]|[[User talk:Retro00064|&#9742;talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Retro00064|&#x270D;contribs]]|] 04:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose'''. While I personally don't like it, there is [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#United_States|this]]. Plus, incomprehensible nomination by a persistently disruptive user. --[[User:Sable232|Sable232]] ([[User talk:Sable232|talk]]) 15:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. As [[User:Sable232]] points out, there is a lasting consensus that Wikipedia follows the AP style for a few cities. I personally got Cleveland, Ohio moved to Cleveland not long ago. At present, Wikipedia deviates from the AP on [[Las Vegas, Nevada]], [[Phoenix, Arizona]], [[St. Louis, Missouri]] and [[Washington, D.C.]]. I am not clear on why Las Vegas retains its state and I may request it be moved, but the other three at least have obvious other targets. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 19:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The Dallas in Texas is by far the most well known Dallas. As such, leaving this article at Dallas and linking to a disambiguation page, as is the case currently, is the best approach and consistent with Wikipedia policy on article titles and disambiguation. -- [[User:Mattinbgn|Mattinbgn]] ([[User talk:Mattinbgn|talk]]) 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I asked the question, "When you hear the word 'Dallas', do you think of 'Dallas, Texas' more than anywhere else?" on the tourist bulletin board at [http://www.virtualtourist.com VirtualTourist] (chosen because of the large number of non-American English speakers who use it), and the answer was a near unanimous "yes" - see the [http://forum.virtualtourist.com/discussion-542453-1-1-Miscellaneous-0-0-World-discussion.html discussion]. To be fair, a majority felt that it would be fair that the article be named "Dallas, Texas" rather than "Dallas", but only because they did not understand things like the AP stylebook (none of them are Wikipedia contributors so far as I know). In any case, if the issue is "Is Dallas (for Texas) a name that is so well-known that the mere mention of 'Dallas' calls to mind 'Dallas, Texas' almost exclusively?", the answer is clearly "yes", even among a non-scientifically selected group of non-US English speakers from around the world.--[[User:Mccalpin|William J. &#39;Bill&#39; McCalpin]] ([[User talk:Mccalpin|talk]]) 02:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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==Collaboration==
If anyone here would like to collaborate on getting this article to a more acceptable status (maybe [[WP:GA]]?), send me a message on my talk page. --[[User:Mahanga|<span style="color:darkred">Mahanga</span>]] ([[User talk:Mahanga|Talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Census 2010==

The census 2010 count is more than 100,000 less than the 2009 estimate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021707179.html?nav=hcmoduletmv

The number for Houston was also 155,000 less than the 2009 estimate, and San Antonio was slightly below expectations.[[User:Ryoung122|<span style="color:red">Ryoung</span><span style="color:blue">122</span>]] 12:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Places of Interest ==

Why does the "places of interest" section for the Dallas wikipedia page include so many locations that are not in the city of Dallas? Out of 19 locations listed, I note that one (Texas Motor Speedway) is in Fort Worth, three (Six Flags, Hurricane Harbor, Cowboys Stadium) are in Arlington, and two (Texas Stadium and Southfork Ranch) are in Dallas suburbs. While it would be appropriate to include these locations in the DFW metroplex page, it seems odd to have them on the page for Dallas proper. If there are no objections, I would like to remove these locations from the page. [[User:PohranicniStraze|PohranicniStraze]] ([[User talk:PohranicniStraze|talk]]) 02:08, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Cityscape ==

I've removed the lower panorama from the Cityscape section.  (I've also shrunk the middle one, and slightly enlarged the upper one)  I saw it to be an unnecessary addition to the Dallas page, but I wanted to explain in further detail my reasoning for editing the way I did, to prevent possible edit wars from ensuing.


A few weeks ago I uploaded a panorama of the Dallas skyline that I made from photos I took from the West Village parking garage.  I then put it in the Dallas article, replacing the previous, outdated panorama (taken from Victory Park in '06).  I first thought of just adding it to the Cityscape section along side the existing one, but no matter which way I tested the layout, it just didn't look right.  So since the skyline panorama I had made was an improvement over the old one, I just removed the old one from the page entirely.  By doing so I prevented the cityscape section from looking absurd.  Huge pictures that go across the whole width of the window should be few and special.  Dallas isn't important enough that it needs its wiki article to have five-dozen massive pano's scattered all over the place.  That would be too boastful.


So it had been some time since I'd checked the article and I thought of doing so today.  When I got on, I found that two additional skyline panoramas had been added to the cityscape section below mine.  Now neither of them is bad, but as I stated above, having three enormous pictures in the same part of a wiki page really doesn't improve it.  Unless there's a good reason for it (i.e. each of the pictures plays its own role of sorts in the article viewers' experience while looking over it, and the quality of all of them is top-notch), it will just make it all look messy.

Now as it happens with these panoramas, the ones on the middle and bottom do add another perspective to Dallas's cityscape.  While mine was taken from uptown (essentially within the skyline itself), these were taken from across the Trinity river (to give a wide angle of the entire city center).  So in this case there is a purpose to having more than just one panorama filling the screen.  But I can't see any reason to justify all three staying up.  The first and second were both taken in the middle of the day, with blue sky.  So the look of each of the first two panoramas is not only compatible, but actually helps them to complement each other.  One is taken from one side pointing one way, the other is taken from the other side pointing the opposite way.  The third (from Inwood Road), however, is just redundant and unnecessary.  I know that the spot it was taken from is a few miles from the Belmont Hotel, but the angles look close enough to not need a third panorama in the same section.    [[User:DKW 85|DKW 85]] ([[User talk:DKW 85|talk]]) 03:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:I don't agree with the removal of the picture. Maybe we can add it back? It was nice! [[User:Karnifro|Karnifro]] ([[User talk:Karnifro|talk]]) 07:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

:I agree. The Dallas skyline is not as prominent or notable as New York's, Chicago's, or Miami's. Two shots is already pushing it, but they are appealing and do show different vantage points. It should be kept at two maximum, and I believe the current images to be fine. [[User talk:08OceanBeach SD|<span style="color:#CD0000;"><i>08OceanBeach</i></span><span style="color:#104E8B;"><b><sup><i>S.D.</i></sup></b></span>]] 08:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

:I don't agree either.  I'm with Karnifro and think the third picture did add a valuable addition to the Dallas cityscape that is very different from the other two.  It helps to show that Dallas has grown substantially over the last decade to such an extent that it is multi-dimensional in its Downtown cityscape and when viewed from differing angles the views are substantially different yet all very big-city in their feel.  And the fact the third picture was taken at sunset actually worked beautifully as a complement to the first and second images.  As a suggestion you may want to speak to the person who posted those pictures before arbitrarily removing them .... what if they removed your's without discussing with you?  Or I suggest alternatively at a minimum reduce the third picture to the same dimensions as the second image and add it back, maybe then the original poster may agree with you and you will avoid a possible edit war ensuing.  I say put the third picture back.  [[User:Dallasborn&amp;bred|Dallasborn&amp;bred]] ([[User talk:Dallasborn&amp;bred|talk]]) 17:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
== Type of municipal government ==

The type of government listed in the article is [[Council-manager government|council-manager]]; I believe Dallas is better described as a [[Mayor-council government|weak mayor-council]] city, as per the Wikipedia article, based on its mayor being elected by the city population and having some powers outside of merely chairing the city council.  Anyone have thoughts on this?  [[User:Gnassar|Gnassar]] ([[User talk:Gnassar|talk]]) 21:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure I agree.   Can you give greater detail to your reasoning?   [[User:Lawblogger18|Lawblogger18]] ([[User talk:Lawblogger18|talk]]) 20:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry; seems I wasn't getting email notifications.  Well, I'm not sure there's more detail to be given -- again, Dallas' mayor is elected by the city population; in a council-manager government, it would be appointed by the council, or alternatively, would be voted on to sit on the council (this per the WP entries linked above.)  Neither is the case.  The weak-mayor-council description linked above, however, fits Dallas to a T, in that the council has both legislative and executive powers and the mayor, though popularly elected, "lack[s] effective executive power and restriction on the ability to appoint and remove officials, and lack veto powers".

By that description, it would seem pretty clear, I think. [[User:Gnassar|Gnassar]] ([[User talk:Gnassar|talk]]) 12:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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==Population==
I changed the population to reflect the NCTCOG 2009 estimates.  [[User:LiberalFascist|Joshua Scott]] ([[User talk:LiberalFascist|talk]]) 19:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I changed to reflect 2010 Census

So, we have a contradiction here. In Dallas entry:

Dallas (play /ˈdæləs/) is the largest city in Texas[4][5] and the ninth-largest in the United States

In Houston entry:

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==Lead paragraph==
The article is about Dallas, not the Dallas-Fort Worth MSA. The recently added material to the lead paragraph not only concerns Dallas but all other cities in the MSA. This should be moved to the the [[Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex]] article. [[User:Postoak|Postoak]] ([[User talk:Postoak|talk]]) 19:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:Emphatic agreement.  Paragraphs 2, 3, and 4 are about the area and not the city.  I'm removing.--[[User:Loodog|Louiedog]] ([[User talk:Loodog|talk]]) 20:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
It is interesting that the person who has a problem with this information is from Houston.  The data as presented is important to understand that Dallas IS DFW.  Most of the data in fact was Dallas related with a reference to its position within its metro.  Jealousy from a competing city in Texas is not a basis for removing important data that explains Dallas' role in the State and the Country.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.181.192.12|72.181.192.12]] ([[User talk:72.181.192.12|talk]]) 17:03, 3 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Stop making ridiculous assumptions. Focus on the article and not the editor. As I stated, the infomation added is about the Metroplex and not Dallas. Dallas in NOT DFW. Dallas is within the DFW metroplex, along with Fort Worth, Arlington, Plano, etc. The lead violates [[WP:USCITY]], simple as that. [[User:Postoak|Postoak]] ([[User talk:Postoak|talk]]) 19:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:I am not from Houston and I agree with Postoak.  The [[Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex]] article is the place for these sorts of pieces of information.  This article is about the city proper of Dallas, not the metro area, as per [[WP:USCITY]] guidelines.  The metro area of any city gets a passing mention in the form of the metro population size, but any more than that is not appropriate here.--[[User:Loodog|Louiedog]] ([[User talk:Loodog|talk]]) 19:05, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:Also, please do not [[WP:3RR|revert war]] as your next revert will be a [[WP:3RR]] violation.  You can discuss here all you want with no violation of wikipedia policy, but please wait until [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] has been reached on the talk page before making the change again.  Failure to do so just winds up in antagonism between editors and you getting blocked.--[[User:Loodog|Louiedog]] ([[User talk:Loodog|talk]]) 20:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

== City Seal ==

Could someone please, pretty please, change the colors of the seal to match the flag? The current colors are horrid --[[User:Thegunkid|Thegunkid]] ([[User talk:Thegunkid|talk]]) 05:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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== Vandal ==

Hi, it seems you've been vandalized! Some enterprising a-hole included the words "Dallas sucks!!!!!!!" at the start of one paragraph about two screens down the page, throwing the entire paragraph out of whack in the process. Thought someone should know...

[[Special:Contributions/89.102.132.83|89.102.132.83]] ([[User talk:89.102.132.83|talk]]) 00:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks, but that was fixed a while ago. [[User:Szyslak|<span style="color:green;">szyslak</span>]] ([[User talk:Szyslak|<span style="color:green;">t</span>]]) 01:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

== Jewish community ==

I was quite surprised to notice that the Religion section makes no mention whatsoever of the city's sizable, influential, and history-laden Jewish community.  Perhaps someone could address this rather glaring omission with a paragraph or two. [[Special:Contributions/173.173.120.49|173.173.120.49]] ([[User talk:173.173.120.49|talk]]) 20:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

:Find a source demonstrating the size and/or significance of the Jewish community in Dallas go ahead and [[WP:BB|include it]].--[[User:Loodog|Louiedog]] ([[User talk:Loodog|talk]]) 18:38, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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== Culture ==

I think that including specific events and festivals around New Years Eve are important to include. Events such as Big D NYE and Lights All Night, as both have come back multiple years. [[User:Jennasl|Jennasl]] ([[User talk:Jennasl|talk]]) 22:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Spur 408 Article ==

Anyone up for making a Spur 408 article? Its the only red link in the list of highways/roads/interstates. [[User:TheMesquito|TheMesquito]] ([[User talk:TheMesquito|talk]]) 12:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== the temperatures don't seem to be right ==

Please click the following link for details:
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Temperatures are not self consistent, the details of record high temperature and record low temperature in the text of the article  contradict the details in the table directly below the text .  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MrTubbles|MrTubbles]] ([[User talk:MrTubbles|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MrTubbles|contribs]]) 13:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== City, State naming conventions ==

Why is this article not titled '''Dallas, Texas'''? There are at least 7 other cities named Dallas in the US. Is this some distinction that was made due to the popular TV series of the same? If that's the case then the article titled Dallas should be about that TV program. I am a big believer in the consistency and uniformity of naming conventions. In my opinion the redirect is backwards. Any thoughts out there on this?Walter 16:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WalterJF|WalterJF]] ([[User talk:WalterJF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WalterJF|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
.I reconsidered my position on this after looking at Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. and I realized that these articles are named from "what's the first place that comes to mind when you mention (name a large US city)?". It's obvious to me that Wiki-Pedia does not follow the naming conventions that one might find in a physical book-form of an encyclopedia. Please do not respond to this. I am withdrawing this discussion. Walter 16:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WalterJF|WalterJF]] ([[User talk:WalterJF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WalterJF|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::I will respond to this and say that you should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policy; NOBODY but the residents of the other 6 Dallas' in the US think of anything but the city of Dallas when hearing it's name.  Also, please sign your talk page posts with four tildes [[Special:Contributions/71.170.12.131|71.170.12.131]] ([[User talk:71.170.12.131|talk]]) 04:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

==Neighborhoods==

"Midtown Dallas" as defined by this article is not used by ANYONE in Dallas as far as I know.   Do you have a source?  The only references for something called "Midtown Dallas" are for a planned development near the Galleria (along 635) which is nowhere near the "Midtown" described in this article.

The Dallas Contemporary is not in the "City Center District."  It is in the Design District.

[[Special:Contributions/99.178.186.115|99.178.186.115]] ([[User talk:99.178.186.115|talk]]) 19:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Midtown Dallas deleted for that reason. [[User:OsageCowboy|OsageCowboy]] ([[User talk:OsageCowboy|talk]]) 18:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

== Under Arts ==

Under Arts it says that Dallas Buyers Club was filmed in Dallas however all of it was filmed in the state of Louisiana [[User:Brittgn|Brittgn]] ([[User talk:Brittgn|talk]]) 16:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

== Districts ==

What is the difference between a district and a neighborhood? Many locations are listed as both. Should the District section just be deleted? [[User:OsageCowboy|OsageCowboy]] ([[User talk:OsageCowboy|talk]]) 18:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree - if all neighborhoods can't be included why include any districts or neighborhoods. Delete it![[User:Brittgn|Brittgn]] ([[User talk:Brittgn|talk]]) 16:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:If you want particular neighborhoods included, feel free to add them. Just because the list is incomplete is no reason to remove it when it's clearly useful. [[User:Scarlettail|Scarlettail]] ([[User talk:Scarlettail|talk]]) 17:37, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:: I agree in part and disagree in part. Including the neighborhoods is useful. But having them listed twice, once calling them Neighborhoods and then calling them Districts, is not useful. [[User:OsageCowboy|OsageCowboy]] ([[User talk:OsageCowboy|talk]]) 23:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

== Origin of the name "Dallas" ==

Plenty of detail and factual content in the Article -- but nothing about where the name simply comes from! I have therefore included the information ("History" section, 2nd para).

[[Special:Contributions/75.148.238.178|75.148.238.178]] ([[User talk:75.148.238.178|talk]]) 20:55, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

: Probably because the origin of the name is unknown.  Take a look at [https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hdd01 THIS LINK] from the Texas State Historical Society. [[User:onel5969|<b><span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#FFB300;">5969</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 21:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

:: Having said that, both [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Dallas&allowed_in_frame=0 this link at Etymology Online] and [http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/VP_George_Dallas.htm this link at the US Senate History site], indicate that the VP was the origin of the term.  Someone with more interest in the origin of the name might do a bit more research and add to the article. [[User:onel5969|<b><span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#FFB300;">5969</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 21:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

::: In that case, someone with a bit more interest in correctly administering Wikipedia needs to take a look at the [[George M. Dallas]] page, which categorically states (1st para) that Dallas is named after him. There must be consistency on Wikipedia; clearly there is not. [[Special:Contributions/75.148.238.178|75.148.238.178]] ([[User talk:75.148.238.178|talk]]) 14:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

:::: Absolutely agree on that.  If I think about it today, I'll saunter on over there. [[User:onel5969|<b><span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#FFB300;">5969</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 16:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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== Politics ==

The section on politics is in need of rewriting and cleaning.
I recommend:
   - Moving the Politics Section to the bottom of the Culture sub-section
   - Citation is needed
   - Focusing on Local politics with a brief mention of National and State voting trends


I would suggest that we present both viewpoints on Dallas (the City) being politically left or right.

I think linking to an article on Dallas-Ft Worth politics would allow a better place to show the comparison of voting trends in Dallas with those of suburbs. (ex Plano)

I would be more than happy to work with others to clarify the information in the article as well as find citation of the information.  

[[User:Prestonvickrey|Preston A. Vickrey (Maj Gen know-it-all)]] ([[User talk:Prestonvickrey|talk]]) 15:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Stop referring to Dallas and Texas for that fact as the American South. Texas is in no way culturally, politically, or ideologically connected to the south. If standard classifications have to be used, the American Southwest would be more appropriate but even beyond that Texas very much has it's own identity. As a matter of fact we actually have more in common with Mexico than we do the United States. In fact our energy grid, which we have our own, is connected to Mexico, but not the United States. It's very misleading to have readers from across the world who are trying to understand the geopolitical aspects of this coutrry and is various regions to read about the south and then Texas and then try to connect the two to only find that there are minimal similarities. From a historical context, if one studies Texas history, they will find that the only reason Texas joined the confederacy was get away from the united states as so afterwards they could declare their own Republic again.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.116.250.183|24.116.250.183]] ([[User talk:24.116.250.183|talk]]) 16:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

"In 1969 Anita N. Martínez become the first Hispanic to sit as a council women in Dallas' city council.[141]" While noteworthy, this appears to be irrelevant in the context of the paragraph.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/8.41.84.4|8.41.84.4]] ([[User talk:8.41.84.4|talk]]) 22:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Temperature records ==

Should DFW Airport or Love Field be used as the reporting station for Dallas (not the DFW region) itself? According to [http://threadex.rcc-acis.org/ ThreadEx (NOAA)], "Dallas/Fort Worth Area" reported out of Fort Worth from 1898 until August 1974, and since then, at DFW Airport, whereas "Dallas Area" was based in downtown Dallas from 1913 until the opening of Love Field in 1940. Clearly, the first of the two offers a longer period (by 14&ndash;15 years) and includes the [[Great Blizzard of 1899]], but the latter is closer to downtown Dallas. In addition, the text at least at [[Dallas#Climate]] [http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/?n=dgr8mxmn appears to] use records from the former. Another question would be which station is used for official (and news) reports for Dallas itself? ''GotR'' <sup>[[User talk:Guerrilla of the Renmin|Talk]]</sup> 05:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Almost universally, DFW weather station is used for all official records for the region. Love Field is closer (it's only 3 miles from downtown!), I agree, but local and national news always quote DFW airport records so we should probably stick with that for consistency sake [[User:Hadlock|Hadlock]] ([[User talk:Hadlock|talk]]) 08:24, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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== Nickname ==

{{User|AdiV16}} [[Special:Diff/726657496|recently added]] the nickname "Big D" to the infobox. Is this actually a common nickname for Dallas? [[User:Larryv|larryv]] ([[User talk:Larryv|talk]]) 19:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
:Just in case anyone else wonders, this is most assuredly a common nickname for Dallas. Note that it is even used in the name of one of the sources of this article (Payne, Darwin (1982). "Chapter VII: The Emergence of "Big D"". Dallas, an illustrated history. Woodland Hills, California: Windsor Publications. pp. 189–221. ). It was also used in a play on words in the 1994 country song [[Goin' Through the Big D]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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==Editing without edit descriptions==

Dallas page watchers:
There is someone making many changes to [[Dallas]]. Some appear to be helpful. Some may not be. It's hard to tell because this editor does not use edit descriptions. The editor is also making changes to the Dallas politics template. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.97.144.2] [[User:Oldsanfelipe|Oldsanfelipe]] ([[User talk:Oldsanfelipe|talk]]) 20:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

== Demographics - LGBTQ ==

Demographics section states "Recognized for having the sixth largest lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) population in the nation, the Dallas metropolitan is widely noted for being home to a thriving and diverse LGBT community.[67]".

However, in reviewing this [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/21/upshot/the-metro-areas-with-the-largest-and-smallest-gay-population.html 2015 NYTimes article], that seems to be false. Dallas in fact ranks 35th in the nation. The NYTimes article references this Gallup study: http://news.gallup.com/poll/182051/san-francisco-metro-area-ranks-highest-lgbt-percentage.aspx?utm_source=Social%20Issues&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles.  [[User:Spikem|Spikem]] ([[User talk:Spikem|talk]]) 21:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Spikem|Spikem]] ([[User talk:Spikem#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spikem|contribs]]) 21:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Metropolitan population in the lead ==
{{ping|Magnolia677}} I think the lead needs some copy editing: there is too much emphasis on the metro area in the first sentences. It should be re-written to emphasize the city of Dallas. OTOH, the advice page [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline]] says Metro population, "should be included in the lead section." Perhaps the lead should be re-written to include Metro population while de-emphasizing Metro characteristics as a whole. [[User:Oldsanfelipe|Oldsanfelipe]] ([[User talk:Oldsanfelipe|talk]]) 17:28, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oldsanfelipe}} Ah, yes.  Feel free to revert, and maybe we can work on it.  Thanks! [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 22:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
::I added the precise number for Metro pop. Hopefully the URL is stable: most URLs at the Census web site are not. Other numbers in the lead were precise, so the same rounding method can be used for all. I am uncertain about the rules for rounding, but I will look at that part of the MOS later. Cheers, [[User:Oldsanfelipe|Oldsanfelipe]] ([[User talk:Oldsanfelipe|talk]]) 13:13, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

== Number of Russian speakers overstated in Demographics section ==

The demographics section cites a claim of 70,000 Russian speakers in the Dallas-Ft. Worth metro as of November 6, 2012, but that figure is surely greatly overstated: According the US Census of 2010, there were only around 17,000 Russian speakers in the entire state of Texas. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_the_United_States> [[User:Gary Henscheid|Gary Henscheid]] ([[User talk:Gary Henscheid|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

== So dark...is this Texas?? ==

[[File:Dallas Collage Montage.png|thumb|right|upright]]
I've always found Texas to be a "bright" place.  Long sunny days, and noticeably "bright" people.  And then...the infobox collage (look right -->>).  So many night shots.  So much darkness.  Any objection to replacing the photo with something a bit more uplifting, with an image that can actually be seen?  Thanks for your input! [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 22:27, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

== Infobox montage or single image ==

I've noticed on other articles such as [[Vancouver]], [[St. Louis]] and [[San Francisco]] that they only utilize one single image in their infoboxes. I went ahead and glanced over the discussions that lead those pages to only utilize a single image and they all revolve around the same idea that montages are unnecessary as only the downtown areas are truly "iconic". All the other subjects in their previous montages are not nearly as iconic enough to be recognized by the average Wikipedia reader and it would be best suited if they were solely included elsewhere in the article. I think the same thing goes with Dallas, nothing other than downtown is really "recognizable", therefore a montage is not really necessary. Anyone else have thoughts? [[Special:Contributions/73.73.86.129|73.73.86.129]] ([[User talk:73.73.86.129|talk]]) 03:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
:San Francisco is a very dense city by area and population, therefore it is merely pointless for them to maintain a montage unless they can utilize some very greatly iconic places. The arguments for St. Louis and Vancouver can be stated the same, in addition to the fact that such communities aren't comprised of various relevant areas for "iconic's" sake. That was even supported in the Vancouver talk page where they spoke on the ever-large montage: "Vancouver or San Francisco simply offer nothing of popular consciousness." Even in the archives of San Francisco's talk page, they initially support a montage, however San Francisco is too small and lacks the iconic landmarks and places that could be found in another dense place like New York and its suburban communities. They tried doing what the New York City article montage has, but alas, again, not much iconic stuff in that dense area with up-to-date photos. The edifices pictured here are very well known to the average person in and out of state, regardless of Wikipedians. A montage included elsewhere on an article for a whole city would mean the creation of a completely new settlement format. On a final note: your edits doing this to several settlements have been rolled back by Wikipedia's administrative and moderation team, in addition to others. -- [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 17:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::Get rid of the montage.  Too many pictures and way too many "night shots" which adds unnecessary black space. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 17:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Instead of removing why don't you find any "day shots" then instead of removing something altogether. It's not that hard...that's why the new montage was posted. Also, you seem to desire to have it removed furthermore because they were too dark. I tried adding more brighter photos to the new one. Find some images or come here yourself and take some day images. You also then seem to desire to have it removed furthermore because they were too dark earlier in the year. --[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 17:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Montages simply don't work. Most cities, including Dallas, don't have enough iconic images, and the shrinking of pics to squash them into a montage makes them too small to be useful. If the pictures are good, use them elsewhere in the article in a larger format. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 17:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::Montages simply do work. That's why almost every Wikipedia settlement article has them. Dallas does have enough iconic images, and none of these are "squashed". But quick question, where are your recent contributions here? And why do you seemingly come out of nowhere unlike Magnolia? I have questions. [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 17:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::Firstly, see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. Secondly, I have no idea what most of the places are in your montage. Thirdly, I am here because I can't stand montages. Fourthly, why does it matter where I'm from? This is a global encyclopaedia. (Note that spelling.) [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 18:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::Of course [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]; and in this instance one could argue the argument is valid to keep the montage as "the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes". This is consistent.. Second, you do not, but that doesn't mean everyone doesn't. That's bias shown. Third, you can't stand montages. Also bias shown. Instead of improving Wikipedia you just seem to just seek to use personal bias for your own gain for what articles should have montages and which ones shouldn't. Don't insult my intelligence with that variation of English by the way. When push comes to shove...you know the saying... --[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 18:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Please discuss the merits of montages, rather than me. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 18:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Unlike you, I discussed the merits extensively. You just merely pointed out a personal agenda.[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::You're still talking about me. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 18:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::Get off your high horse of "intellectualism" and go away with your trolling. [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 18:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|TheTexasNationalist99}} Insulting editors who don't agree with you isn't helpful. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 18:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::Announcing someone's personal grievances isn't helpful? Forgive me if that's insulting. Truly. And please forgive me for pointing out the obvious that I'm being trolled. Downtown Dallas is iconic. Big Tex is iconic. The Old Red Museum is an iconic national historic site. Windspear Opera House is iconic. The Perot Museum is as well, in addition to the Gardens and American Airlines Center. We could do away with the city hall and mall and debate their iconic positions, but the others are definitely iconic. --[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 18:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Nearly every single result of Google Images for "Dallas" is it's downtown, nothing else. If you Google NYC, Beijing or Paris, you'll find a mixture of many of its commonly associated sites. As a result, it can be reasonably concluded that downtown Dallas is the city's only prominent feature. Montages may work well for other cities, as those cities have numerous equally important and recognizable sites, but Dallas simply lacks that sort of character. So I think that Dallas is one of those cities where a single image would work the best; all other lesser-known subjects in the montages should go to their respective sections. [[Special:Contributions/73.73.86.129|73.73.86.129]] ([[User talk:73.73.86.129|talk]]) 19:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you for responding back. I can see where you come from with that statement fellow contributor. However, is Google really a reliable source for this? And any other search engine? [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 19:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Great idea.  How about Baidu and Yandex?  Surely they will show some non-downtown images. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 20:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I literally just chuckled. I meant that we cannot use search engines as reliable sources. [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 20:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::I have a really crazy idea...how about...no, it's too crazy!  Ok, let me just ''throw this out''.  Instead of search engine popularity and similar shenanigans...why don't we try...are you ready...why don't we read all the comments left on this talk page by all the editors, and see what the consensus of opinion is?  Is that too crazy??? [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
::My God!! How outrageous of you LOL. But yeah, HiLo's personal dislike does not apply whatsoever as their intent is exposed. They carry no weight. And arguments for removing were countered easily in the first response. --[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 21:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
:::I gave reasons for my opposition to montages. Please discuss them rather than talking about me. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 00:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: "Because I can't stand montages," you've written. [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 00:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:These are all reasons that have been debated against with evidence. There appears there is no census. --[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 00:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::I gave reasons why I can't stand montages. "''Most cities, including Dallas, don't have enough iconic images, and the shrinking of pics to squash them into a montage makes them too small to be useful. If the pictures are good, use them elsewhere in the article in a larger format.''" Please discuss those reasons. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 00:59, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::I agree. None of those "squashed" landmarks in the montage is particularly recognizable nor that prominent in any context. A single clear shot of downtown would serve well for Dallas. <span style="background:deepskyblue;padding:2px 12px;font-size:14px">[[User:Nkon21|<span style="color:azure">ɴᴋᴏɴ21</span>]] <span style="color:navy;letter-spacing:-2px">❯❯❯</span> [[User talk:Nkon21|<span style="color:lightgray">talk</span>]]</span> 08:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: Still reject them based on easy evidence. This feels like an attempt to rush something. Dallas isn't NY or CA but these are prominent to Texans and others interested in it!!!  --[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 13:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

[[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]], if I see you badger, taunt, harass, insult, or denigrate one more editor, I will block you. Focus on content, not editors. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::Excuse me, but that was because I felt insulted by HiLo48, so I retaliated harshly and continued to do so. And I recognize that I did. So forgive me for acting in my own defense.  But you're right, focus on the content. And I did, extensively in the first response, respectfully writing. [[User:TheTexasNationalist99|TheTexasNationalist99]] ([[User talk:TheTexasNationalist99|talk]]) 16:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::What "easy" evidence do you mean? I can't find it. <span style="background:deepskyblue;padding:2px 12px;font-size:14px">[[User:Nkon21|<span style="color:azure">ɴᴋᴏɴ21</span>]] <span style="color:navy;letter-spacing:-2px">❯❯❯</span> [[User talk:Nkon21|<span style="color:lightgray">talk</span>]]</span> 20:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== Article turned into an art gallery by {{u|Contribuidorconta}} ==

About a week ago, I have reverted good-faith, yet unconstructive contributions to this article from the user named above; these edits gave nothing but huge areas of white space and images all over the place as if it's a tourist article. They even kept adding periods to the captions, reverted some long-standing and high quality files with low-quality, extremely dark images, etc. Those contributions were reverted by me, yet they reverted my contributions to upstand with the article's status with no explanation whatsoever. I am starting a discussion to see what other contributors may have in mind, or if I should just approach Wikipedia administrators since they didn't even desire to communicate nor provide an edit summary. - [[User:TheLionHasSeen|TheLionHasSeen]] ([[User talk:TheLionHasSeen|talk]]) 16:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== White Flight - specific citation needed ==

"Dallas's population was historically predominantly White (non-Hispanic whites made up 82.8% of the population in 1930), but its population has diversified due to immigration and white flight over the 20th century." 
This statement makes no sense. From 1930 to 2020 the white population of Dallas grew by +60%. That's the opposite of evidence of white flight. A factually correct section would read something like, "Share of white population decreased due to domestic and international migration." [[User:Yourmomsofat|Yourmomsofat]] ([[User talk:Yourmomsofat|talk]]) 12:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)