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==Untitled==
c walk is just a dance the all kids and teens do around the world becuse thats how you dance to r&b
and hip hop its hard and time consumin to learn there is lots of skill to be able to pull it off properley and can add ur own style thats f*** all fights over that dance no days i have been c walking for 1 yr now and i love the flow of it and have neveer been in and alltercations from dowin it have had m8ts that have becuse they where doing it with bandaners

==Blood Walk==
Saw some videos on Youtube about the "Blood walk"..?!
Does anybody know where the difference is between crip and blood walk?

It's called the 'Blood Bounce'.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.227.220.129|142.227.220.129]] ([[User talk:142.227.220.129|talk]]) 14:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Indeed there is a difference between crip and blood walk. The main difference between the two is when an individual does the blood walk there is no shuffle or using the heels in the walk whereas in the crip walk it's the complete opposite. Also, when an individual does the crip walk they spell out C-R-I-P.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Na27an|Na27an]] ([[User talk:Na27an#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Na27an|contribs]]) 02:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Crip Walk ==

OK, I can take this further . . . after reviewing Kyren's moves on Youtube, I can tell you my father taught me the same basic c-walk moves when I was around six or seven. Uh . . . I was born in 1954. So, that was like 1960.  These are nothing more than old dance steps my father learned when he was a kid way back in the 1930's. Nothing original about them. BTW, we're rich white people from a wealthy suburb in Texas.  It has nothing to do with black people other then folks in Compton copying old dance steps from whitey.

I grew up in Pomona, Ca, and I can remember doing this dance in the 4th or 5th grade. That was around 1980 or 81. This style of dance was not started in the 1990's.

: I agree.  Seems that I saw hip-hop vids in the mid to late eighties with the same moves. 00:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Somebody wanna elaborate on that 'nimble movements of their feet to spell out' this or that, please? [[User:Kar98|Kar98]] 22:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

The main emphasis of C Walking is to spell out words with their feet. In Clown Walking- the spin off clone of Crip Walking- foot movements seem to be large at hand- meaning that if they were going to do a move like the V, it would be done both fast and with the feet apart- thus barely even formulating the shape of a V. In Crip Walking, movements are nimble (not too fast, but at a steady pace- usually much slower than Clown Walking) and the feet are close with each other- therefore allowing the spelling of some names. It's not only the feet, but also the entire body that allow the spelling of each letter.

: I grew up in Inglewood and South Central in the early 1970s. When I was in the 10th grade in 1974, the crip walk was around then. And what you fools call the crip walk now is not the crip walk.

:: If it was "around" in 1974, then it isn't correct to say that the Crips invented it in the early 90's, is it?  If you have this on authority, or can post links referencing the Crip walk being around in 1974, then I invite you to edit the article.

I haven't seen the dance performed, but that photo series with Snoop looks like something out of The Ellen DeGeneres Show.

I don't know how far back the term has been used but in the mid 70s I was talking to a disabled colleague who grew up in East Los Angeles. Because we both had disabilities and were interested in how disability was portrayed we often talked about the origin of disability related terms. He said that cholos occasionally did the crip walk, and it had been around for awhile. He said it mimicked the knocked knee walk of someone who had had TB. [[User:ATusler|ATusler]] ([[User talk:ATusler|talk]]) 00:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

==Xzibit==
I was reading the page and came across xzibit, are you guy's sure he's not a crip?  I'm sure he would have gotten his a$$ kicked if he c-walked  and wasn't a crip.  He alway's has black on (Shotgun Crip??)--[[User:71.116.65.241|71.116.65.241]] 19:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

: No, Xzibit is not a Crip, he has said it many times. 
Theres an interview on http://www.xzibitcentral.com where he states he's not a crip. [[User:XzibitCentral|XzibitCentral]] 02:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

He's not a member of the Crips. He as affiliated with them at one point of his life- most likely his younger years.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.176.213.232|124.176.213.232]] ([[User talk:124.176.213.232|talk]]) 12:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Songs featuring the Crip Walk ==
Is it the song lyrics or they do it in the video? [[User:Lajbi|Lajbi]] 18:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

::A hybrid of both- it is however, more seen in videos. It's referenced in lyrics in some songs.

== Crip Walk Censored ==
'The C-Walk was censored in the video of Snoop Dogg's hit single "Drop It Like It's Hot".'  I just watched this video again, and the C-walk was shown, but Snoop throwing up gang signs after was censored instead. Are there different versions of the video? --[[User:Asciident|Melissa Della]] 07:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in one variation of the video, Snoop's [[blue flag]] was blurred out, as were its accompanying lines 
("I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside 
But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side" was censored to: 
"I keep a **** **** hanging out my backside
But only on the **** side, yeah that's the **** side") [[User:Slayerofangels|Slayerofangels]] 03:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
: I guess that means there are several censorship variations; thanks for the info. --[[User:Asciident|Melissa Della]] 10:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==
I reverted a tonne of vandalism.  Not sure why this article is ripe for it.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.141.132.71|24.141.132.71]] ([[User talk:24.141.132.71|talk]]) 15:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Wait a minute -- the crip walk originated in a poor suburb of Oneonta, New York? I don't think so. I can believe Compton, but not Oneonta. This is not exactly my field, but someone needs to look into this.

Thanks.[[Special:Contributions/4.249.186.31|4.249.186.31]] ([[User talk:4.249.186.31|talk]]) 19:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Section needs rephrasing ==

"Later, rapper WC would follow suit and add to its popularity; how a gang dance against Bloods, hence it became known as the "C" walk and "B" walk. It really took center stage when Snoop Dogg began doing it on-screen, and the rest is C-walking history. This information can be referenced on DJ Quik's DVD "Visualism."

The second half of the first sentence (after the semicolon) is unclear, the bit about "c-walking history" is in inappropriate style, and the citation should be made in the usual Wiki manner (using a footnote, etc.). -Richard Paez [[User:24.136.34.159|24.136.34.159]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

==Crip Walk or Crip walk?==
Should the W be capitalized?  [[User:JBsupreme|JBsupreme]] ([[User talk:JBsupreme|talk]]) 05:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, coz this 'Crip Walk' is not 'walk' but a variation of walking. [[not signed user]] 23:47, 30 November 2008 (CET)



== Really poor article ==

I'm from the spanish version of Wikipedia, and I checked this article because the spanish version is short, specially because it's not a well known element of US culture. But this article is even shorter than the spanish one, has no images, and instead of describing or putting emphasis on its background it criticizes; the only thing the article seems to say is that the dance is racist. That wouldn't be a problem, except if your article has two paragraphs. I guess that besides its controversy there are many other things to say about Crip Walk, but, who else could know better than me about the Walk than US people? That's why it really surprises me - apart from being the language who has the most articles in Wikipedia.

Also, masculinity in dancing is something that I see widely expanded, at least in latin music (such as reggaeton), so I repeat: putting only critics about its racism and misogyny emphatize it like an evil dance.

You may guess that english ain't my first language, so I hope you understand what I wrote. Greetings from South America. --[[User:SIVAINVI|SIVAINVI]] ([[User talk:SIVAINVI|talk]]) 08:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

*I wouldn't say the article is racist, that's simply the nature of the subject. When these moves where put togather into the form know as "Crip Walking", it was done by an extreamly violent ethnic gang in Californa known as the "The Crips". Pointing out Crips are black is like pointing out Mexicans are latino, it might sound racist to bring it up but it's also true.

=="This. Is. Not. A. Dance."==
Okay, we all know it is at this point and plenty of people do it. And I'm not trying to argue about where the moves came from, how long they've been around, or anything like that. However, "Crip Walking" in and of itself at one time was not entirely a dance. I remember an interview with Ice T talking of his early involvment with the Crips in the 70s and 80s, and he described it as "The funkiest little dance you've ever seen, it was wild. And you hand to be a crip to do it." I think it is worth noting at one time, "Crip Walking" was a form of throwing gang signs (if your big on using YouTube, look for black guys covering their faces with blue bandanas. Watch their hands.) and it was considered disrespectful to crips for non-members to do the dance, and disrespectful to bloods to do the dance at all. Like "We will beat/shoot you" disrespectful. I also see no mention of the practice of "dusting off your shoes" before crip walking. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.159.89.194|70.159.89.194]] ([[User talk:70.159.89.194|talk]]) 15:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It's always important to know doing one of these dances in the wrong place costs you your life. There is still a rival going to this day, so these "walks" are dangerous.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Na27an|Na27an]] ([[User talk:Na27an#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Na27an|contribs]]) 02:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== clown walking ==

In earlier versions of this page, there was a description of clown walking and such variant forms that supposedly descended from c-walking.  They have been removed, perhaps due to lack of sourcing.  Fine.  It might also, then, be appropriate to remove the redirect from "clown walking" to this page.  Thoughts?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.57.83.252|66.57.83.252]] ([[User talk:66.57.83.252|talk]]) 23:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== One of the videos is not available anymore. ==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVoWW5KfCFA]
Can anyone re-upload it? Thanks!! [[User:George Rodney Maruri Game|George Rodney Maruri Game]] ([[User talk:George Rodney Maruri Game|talk]]) 15:30, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

== Yes, but... ==
The article tells me some history, but I still haven't a clue what a Crip walk is. A video would help but it must illustrate the fundamentals rather than a demo by experts. For an online encyclopedia it gets a bare pass. [[User:Humphrey Tribble|Humpster]] ([[User talk:Humphrey Tribble|talk]]) 06:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Henry "Crip" Heard]] ==
[[Henry "Crip" Heard]], and "crip" as in "crippled walk", is there a relationship here? It seems like there is.<ref>{{Cite web |date=February 2, 2024 |title=Overlooked No More: Henry Heard, Tap Dancer and Advocate for People with Disabilities |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/obituaries/henry-heard-overlooked.html |url-access=subscription |access-date=2025-02-10 |website=[[New York Times]]}}</ref> [[User:PigeonChickenFish|PigeonChickenFish]] ([[User talk:PigeonChickenFish|talk]]) 02:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
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:This article doesn't seem to connect him direclty with "crip walk", unless I'm missing something. --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 04:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:That NYT article is a failed verification. The idea of Crips as a street gang, and the word "walk" don't even appear in the text. Nobody is connecting Heard with the Crip Walk. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 04:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, Harlem dance legend, Henry “Crip” Heard’s developed a distinctive and influential style of movement,  and the earliest known videos of the “Crip Walk” feature Heard’s performance in the 1948 movie, “Boarding House Blues” scene, “Introducing the Axe”. Someone keeps deleting this Heard’s contribution to black history without doing the research.
::https://www.ladbible.com/news/us-news/serena-williams-super-bowl-crip-walk-meaning-212172-20250210 [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:7E50:9B60:5D5D:6137:B801:3FA|2600:1700:7E50:9B60:5D5D:6137:B801:3FA]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:7E50:9B60:5D5D:6137:B801:3FA|talk]]) 18:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::That Ladbible source is crap. They obviously scraped Wikipedia to get their "facts"; their usual method of "research". We can't give that source any credence per [[WP:CONTEXTMATTERS]]. It's a case of the [[Woozle effect]] and especially [[citogenesis]]. 
:::The main problem continues to be that the Crip Walk has not been connected to Heard's dance routine by any expert observers. None. Zero. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
::::It is unacceptable to erase Harlem dance legend Henry "Crip" Heard’s contributions to Black history and the origins of the Crip Walk based on personal bias you have of a publisher. Historical evidence, including his performance in the 1948 film Boarding House Blues, clearly documents his influence and predates modern iterations of the Crip Walk, demonstrating clear stylistic connections. Dismissing these facts based on personal bias rather than acknowledging documented history disrespects the legacy of Black artistry and distorts cultural history. Experts do not define history—evidence does. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:7E50:9B60:5D5D:6137:B801:3FA|2600:1700:7E50:9B60:5D5D:6137:B801:3FA]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:7E50:9B60:5D5D:6137:B801:3FA|talk]]) 19:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Please [[WP:AGF]]. We've only pointed out that there hasn't been a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] provided that [[WP:V|verifies]] Heard's direct connection to Crip Walk. Is such a source available? --[[User:ZimZalaBim|<span style="color:black">Zim</span><b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b><span style="color:black">Bim</span>]] <sup style="color:black">[[User talk:ZimZalaBim|talk]]</sup> 19:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::[[WP:SECONDARY]] sources define Wikipedia topics. The "evidence" you are bringing is [[WP:NOR|your own research, and not allowable]]. Nobody else documenting the history of the Crip Walk has mentioned Heard, and nobody describing Heard's career has mentioned the later Crip Walk. Which means that the thing you don't want erased is a thing that has never existed. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 20:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2025 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Crip Walk|answered=yes}}
While the origination of the Crip Walk is a little murky, Henry “Crip” Heard first did the moves in the 1940s as part of his Black Vaudeville performance. He was a double amputee who was also a dancer. He turned the derogatory term “crippled” into his stage name “Crip”. His dance was called the “Crip Hop” or “Crip Walk” 

The Crip Walk as it is known today was started by Robert “Sugar Bear” Jackson, an OG Crip in the 70s, who took the moves and added to it so that the walk would spell out the word “CRIP”.

Dancers today use the moves of the C-Walk but rarely, if ever, actually spell out the word “Crip”. [[Special:Contributions/150.220.150.26|150.220.150.26]] ([[User talk:150.220.150.26|talk]]) 21:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

::{{Not done}}. You have not provided any published experts making this connection. The connection appears to be your own creation, which cannot be included in Wikipedia per [[WP:No original research]]. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 22:37, 13 February 2025 (UTC)