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==Go Ask Alice==
In the novel "Go Ask Alice" the protagonist went to Coos Bay and lived there for a while after she ran away from home.  I don't know if this is worthwhile to include in the article so I'll let you guys decide that.  The Wiki page on Go Ask Alice novel has more information about Coos Bay mention.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.110.228.40|206.110.228.40]] ([[User talk:206.110.228.40|talk]]) 21:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Ken Keyes, Jr.==

I don't know how notable this is but [[Ken_Keyes_Jr.]], of "Handbook to Higher Consciousness" fame, had his training headquarters in Coos Bay from 1982 to 1990.

[[User:Meltingpot|Meltingpot]] ([[User talk:Meltingpot|talk]]) 23:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

==Picture==
I removed a picture that does not belong here.
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== Egyptian Theatre ==
When the Egyptian Theatre reopens we need to tie a link to [[Egyptian Theatre]] [[User:12.145.73.51|12.145.73.51]] 18:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Looks like they're showing (classic) movies again. [http://www.egyptian-theatre.com/] Because of the theatre organ, it might merit its own article: [[Egyptian Theatre (Coos Bay, Oregon)]]. Is there any current info on ownership and restoration? [[User:Katr67|Katr67]] 18:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
::I don't have all the details, but I believe it is owned by the City of Coos Bay and managed by a community organization.  If anyone has access to The World Newspaper articles (Coos Bay's paper) over the last year they could get a lot of info.[[User:Theophilus75|Theophilus75]] 05:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Intro ==

I believe the intro is missing two important points: (1) Coos Bay is the biggest city (or metro area?) on the Oregon Coast, and (2) the New Carissa. Thoughts? -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] 18:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hey Pete.  Can you reference the claim about Coos Bay being the biggest city/metropolitan area on the Oregon coast?  Does OR have a state statistics bureau or something similar?  The [[New Carissa]] has an FA article which is brilliant, but I agree something should be written about it in here with a link to the main article.  [[User:Chrisfow|Chrisfow]] 20:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::What would be needed to reference the claim of Coos Bay being the biggest city/metro area on the Oregon Coast?  The statistical fact is that there is no other area on the Oregon Coast with that many people (the US Census should show this).  A point of note that maybe could also be included is that Coos Bay (the actual waterway that Coos Bay sits on) is the largest port between San Francisco and Portland, and the largest ocean port between San Francisco and Seattle.  [[User:Theophilus75|Theophilus75]] 21:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I added it. Seems logical to state this and reference cited.--[[User:Adam00|Adam00]] ([[User talk:Adam00|talk]]) 06:04, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

== Name Change/City Consolidation ==
Coos Bay changed its name in 1944.  It had previously been called Marshfield.   In 1943 an election was held to consolidate Marshfield and the neighboring city of North Bend under the name "Coos Bay. The measure passed in Marshfield, but failed in North Bend. Following that election, Marshfield changed its name to Coos Bay. In 1965, the city of Empire voted to merge with Marshfield.  

In 1987, another consolidation measure proposed that Coos Bay, North Bend and Eastside, a third neighboring city, should consolidate into a new city to be called Coos Bay.  Again North Bend voted not to consolidate, but when Coos Bay and Eastside both voted to join, Eastside became a part of Coos Bay.

Considering that a large portion of the current city of Coos Bay is what used to be two other cities, I think it is worth noting those other two cities in the history section.  If someone has more info on those original cities (Empire and Eastside) I wonder if it would warrant them having their own articles.

I'm still trying to figure out this wikipedia project thing.  I'll look for info to verify what I seem to remember about the consolidatin and name change, but I guess I'm looking for a bit of guidance too.   [[User:Theophilus75|Theophilus75]] 20:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'll check out all the former cities in ''[[Oregon Geographic Names]]'' and see what I can figure out. Having worked on articles about several of these consolidated cities ([[Lincoln City, Oregon]] for example), I'd say that the individual cities probably won't merit having their own articles unless someone is willing to do enough research to find more than a paragraph's worth of information on each one. I'll go ahead and add what I can today. If you find out more please add it too, and let me know if you need help with the citations. [[User:Katr67|Katr67]] 22:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

==Need better reference==
Added cite tag, no reference of whom or what group stated this information in the reference information.

Sir [[Francis Drake]] is said{{by whom?}} to have sought shelter in the bay for his ship, the ''[[Golden Hind]]'' and her crew in 1579.<ref name=City/>
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I added a reference to a published work which seems to satisfy the article's claim that he "is '''said''' to have...". Mind you, one could arguably say that the existing reference satisfied that claim too, since it also "said" it... :-) Interesting thing is, I'd never have even thought to do that if I hadn't been here anyway altering the column code to work in IE - funny how these things work out, isn't it ? [[User:Begoon| -  Begoon]] ([[User talk:Begoon|talk]]) 16:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

== References Added ==

Someone put in the needed reference tag. I added about 3 or so which were as credible as I could find. I couldn't seem to locate a city parks and recreation site like many cities have, just the coosbay.org one. --[[User:Adam00|Adam00]] ([[User talk:Adam00|talk]]) 06:05, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

The Japanese garden at Mingus Park is impressive and would be nice to have a photo or more information. Also, many area events could be added, such as festivals, or the Shore Acres Christmas lights, which draws thousands of tourists each year.--[[User:Adam00|Adam00]] ([[User talk:Adam00|talk]]) 06:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

The more I think of it, the more undeveloped this page is. There's nothing about Weyerhauser, which dramatically changed this community (now a casino). Or the museums, or myrtlewood factory. If no one does anything, I might add this when I get time. --[[User:Adam00|Adam00]] ([[User talk:Adam00|talk]]) 06:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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== Added Other Racist History of CB, Jordan Cove Energy Project, and Recognition of Alonzo Tucker's Lynching sections. ==

I have added the Other Racist History of CB, Jordan Cove Energy Project, and Recognition of Alonzo Tucker's Lynching sections because they are history that belongs here and '''I have cited them'''. You are free to add any bits of context you feel necessary, but please don't delete them. If you do, I have my edits saved on my computer and I will repost.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Coosbay541|Coosbay541]] ([[User talk:Coosbay541#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coosbay541|contribs]]) 00:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{U|Coosbay541}}, Are you working on this for a school assignment or your work? Additionally the threat {{tq|I have my edits saved on my computer and I will repost}} violates [[WP:CONSENSUS|Wikipedia policy]]. You must gain consensus with other editors if your material is removed, not just "repost." [[User:KidAd|<span style="background-color: black; color: orange">KidAd</span>]] • [[User talk:KidAd|<span style="color: gray">'''SPEAK'''</span>]] 00:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Why was this removed then? I cited all the material. You just want to erase it.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Coosbay541|Coosbay541]] ([[User talk:Coosbay541#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coosbay541|contribs]]) 00:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{U|Coosbay541}}, The material was removed because it was written poorly. It is not my responsibility to fix that for you. I encourage you to self-revert and take another look at your draft. If not, I will be forced to take you to [[WP:AN/3]] for violating [[WP:3RR]]. [[User:KidAd|<span style="background-color: black; color: orange">KidAd</span>]] • [[User talk:KidAd|<span style="color: gray">'''SPEAK'''</span>]] 00:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Fine, but could you give me any insight into how or where it was written poorly and allow my revision to be posted?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Coosbay541|Coosbay541]] ([[User talk:Coosbay541#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coosbay541|contribs]]) 00:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The sentence "{{tq|It's also worth mentioning that in 1903, in the Coos Bay Public Schools, integration was attempted}}" is far too informal for Wikipedia. The heading {{tq|Other Racist History}} is obviously problematic and "{{tq|The murder went unsolved and the Coos Bay City Government has yet to acknowledge this racist killing}}" is not a sentence that should be said in [[WP:WIKIVOICE]]. Those are just a few examples. [[User:KidAd|<span style="background-color: black; color: orange">KidAd</span>]] • [[User talk:KidAd|<span style="color: gray">'''SPEAK'''</span>]] 00:53, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
So would "In 1903, Coos Bay Public School District attempted integration" work instead? How is "Other Racist History" problematic when the history is inherently racist? Should it say "Racial" history? It absolutely is racist history and needs to be understood as such. Also the book I cited for such says the murder went unsolved, and the city government has never acknowledged it. SHould I say they didn't acknowledge the killing?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Coosbay541|Coosbay541]] ([[User talk:Coosbay541#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coosbay541|contribs]]) 01:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Okay, now what's wrong with my latest version? Wordcounter.com says my writings were college graduate level, I fixed all grammar errors, I fixed citations, and everything is backed up. I even did the few suggested changes above. I'm starting to think you're enforcing pro-racist sentiment by removing, thereby erasing, this history...  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Coosbay541|Coosbay541]] ([[User talk:Coosbay541#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coosbay541|contribs]]) 02:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Well, I have reposted my revision again. Every user who undid my revisions, with the exception of KidAd, refused to engage in any kind of extensive discussion about my revisions and I have requested dispute resolution on this. It's a shame people have to make Wikipedia this difficult for regular people to use, especially when i wasn't using it maliciously to begin with.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Coosbay541|Coosbay541]] ([[User talk:Coosbay541#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coosbay541|contribs]]) 03:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{ping|Coosbay541}} I closed your DRN case as premature. But I would like to offer to help you here. The first two things I recommend you do is read [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:MOS]] The first section explains that, as an encyclopedia, we cannot have an opinion. We must present facts- not interpretation of them. The second essay is the Manual of Style- it will help you develop the "wikivoice"

:Now- to specific problems with your addition- you have a conversational tone that would be good in journalism or an academic essay, but an encyclopedia is not like a conversation. Where your Composition professors and English teachers spend your entire educational career teaching you how to put your own personality into writing, here we want you to take it out. We want the facts, well written, but in a plain, simple style. How does this sound for the first paragraph:

:::: 22 years later, another black man, Timothy Pettis, was murdered. His killers were never charged despite a $600 reward. An autopsy demanded by the black community found that his testicles had been removed. The Ku Klux Klan had been experiencing a resurgence in the Marshfield area at this time <ref>{{cite book |last1=Mclagan |first1=Elizabeth |title=A Peculiar Paradise |publisher=Georgian Pr |page=Chapter 8 Page 2 |edition=1st}}</ref>

:::: The Coos Bay Public school an attempt at integration was thwarted in 1903 when three black children were refused admission by the principal. The school board suggested a separate room for the black children and the editor of New Age, a local paper, predicted taxpayers would not support the expense of a separate school. <ref>{{cite book |last1=Mclagan |first1=Elizabeth |title=A Peculiar Paradise |publisher=Georgian Pr |page=Chapter 8 Page 2 |edition=1st}}</ref>

: I would suggest calling the section just "Other Incidents" My reasoning is- the murder probably was racially motivated, I think that is an accurate and fair assumption, but since it was never solved- it is still just an assumption. Because this section follows a lynching incident- just titling it "Other Incidents" will indicate to the reader that they should be considered racially motivated. Also, the statement about the city never acknowledging this killing- its unclear the purpose of this statement. Do you mean they don't admit it happened? They don't admit it was racially motivated? What is the purpose of including this statement? It appears to only exist to shame the city, which is not our job as WP editors. So I removed it. Unless there are sources saying the city committed the murder- there is no point to including this statement. 

: Do you see the difference in what you wrote and what I wrote? Its not that your version is bad or wrong, just that its writing for a different purpose. It is writting meant to persuade or make a statement. Wikipedia should not do either of those things- WP exists to provide factual information only, and our articles should reflect that. Now- if you agree to my proposed changes- we will see if we can get a few other editors to agree and then add the changes to the article. But we have to get consensus first. THat doesn't mean every person has to agree- but it does mean that a (usually) a majority of editors agree that the changes are ready to be added. [[User:Nightenbelle|Nightenbelle]] ([[User talk:Nightenbelle|talk]]) 14:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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== politics ==

Didn't Coos Bay and the whole of the county vote for Donald Trump in 2016? This data is not given. Also, when will the 2020 census data be available?

Yes, it did. And the stats are on Wikipedia. LOL. Hey editors, you need to update this article. Coos Bay is NO LONGER a Democratic stronghold. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Oregon

== "Bare minimum" ==

An editor deleted descriptive language on the section of our notable people. Rationale: "should have the bare minimum information to know who is referred to. Further detail lives on the bio page."

But as we all can plainly see, the small descriptive entry the editor deleted was far smaller that other entries on the list! Raising the question, why delete this entry? Did the editor like those entries better? It's very odd. 

The descriptive entry was all RS supported. Unlike other entries. Makes it even odder.

And then you say, but I can't see the entry that was deleted. True. Someone hid it. Why?

And who hid it? They failed to leave a word here. Answering both those questions.

This, following as it does a third editor - editing the same series of entries - deleting reference to the person from the list of people with his surname because - can you believe it - he says (incorrectly) that on a list of names a reference is required (not so, and he could see there were none) .. it's all troubling. To me. 

Perhaps we can get a seasoned editor, not with crossover edits with these editors, who can take a look at this? Where would I go to ask for that?--[[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:2143:8500:A45B:E4AA:91E9:A3F9|2603:7000:2143:8500:A45B:E4AA:91E9:A3F9]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:2143:8500:A45B:E4AA:91E9:A3F9|talk]]) 06:25, 4 February 2022 (UTC)