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==Subfamily==
I think an error occurred: the subfamily of common Eland is not "Bovinae" but "Antilopinae". I'm going to correct it.<br>--[[User:Suhardian|Suhardian]] 20:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:The [http://www.itis.usda.gov/index.html|Integrated Taxonomic Information System], American Society of Mammalogists [http://www.science.smith.edu/departments/Biology/VHAYSSEN/msi/default.html|Cumulative Index for the Mammalian Species] and [http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Taurotragus_oryx.html] classify eland in subfamily '''Bovinae'''. I Have reverted it back to Bovinae. -- [[User:Rooivalk|Rooivalk]] 05:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


upto 3,5 m tall. The second tallest land animal then? 
Herds of upto 400? whos writing this?

:These pages seem to agree, although the 3.5m figure does seem too high.  I've adjusted it. [http://www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Taurotragus_oryx.html] [http://www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/azeland.html] [http://www.chaffeezoo.org/animals/eland.html]. [[User:Lunkwill|Lunkwill]] 09:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


'''Scientific Name'''

Should the scientific name be amended to ''Tragelaphus'' not ''Taurotragus''? [http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/22055/0 IUCN] use ''Tragelaphus'' and has the note: ''The genus Taurotragus, in which the Common Eland and the Giant Eland, T. derbianus, are sometimes included, is here included in the genus Tragelaphus, in accordance with recent genetic evidence and classifications (see Kingdon in press for summary). Three subspecies of Common Eland have been recognized, although their validity requires investigation (Thouless in press).'' 
<ref>http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/22055/0</ref> [[User:Adelophryne|Adelophryne]] ([[User talk:Adelophryne|talk]]) 09:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{U|Adelophryne}} Thanks for your suggestion. I have observed that ''Taurotragus'' is the commoner name, and the article already mentions that ''Tragelaphus'' is often used. It can not be really changed till we are completely sure. [[User:Sainsf|<span style="font-family:Calibri; font-size: 12pt; color:blue">'''S'''ains'''f'''</span>]] <span style="color:violet;">&lt;^&gt;</span><sub>[[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:purple;">Talk all words</span>]]</sub> 12:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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== Life span ==

How long does it live?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jnw222|Jnw222]] ([[User talk:Jnw222|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jnw222|contribs]]) 18:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It lives for 15-20 years generally, and some are recorded to be living for even 25 years. I've expanded this article and mentioned this fact about life span in the 'Description' section too. Thanks.--[[User:Sainsf|Sainsf&lt;^&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sainsf|talk]]) 14:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Uses ==

I don't think it is appropriate to call the [[Israel Defense Forces]] "Israel Occupation Army", even though it is called so in the source. --[[User:Jewbask|JewBask]] ([[User talk:Jewbask|talk]]) 03:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

:I have removed that part. I don't think its [http://eland-antelope-israel.webs.com/ source] is so good to trust. --[[User:Sainsf|<span style="color:green;">Sainsf &lt;^&gt;</span>]] [[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:black;">(</span><span style="color:purple;">talk</span><span style="color:black;">)</span>]] 01:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

There are continuing statement about uses of eland that simply are not true, specifically exaggerating their domestication and use as dairy animals. The sources for this, when they are even cited, are circular or even incestuous, as if someone got something from a bad earlier version of this article, put it on their webpage, and then later it got fed back into Wikipedia. There were experiments in Russia in the 60s or 70s, but that's it. https://journals.co.za/doi/pdf/10.10520/AJA00382353_9710 Seeing this here is bizarre, and I'm not sure exactly what modifications would be made to the article to demonstrate the negative of something that never should have made its way to an article.

== Page move? ==

Shouldn't this page be moved to [[Common eland]], lower case "e"?  Unless I'm missing something, that seems to be the implication of [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna)#Capitalisation and italicisation]].  [[User:WLU|WLU]] <small>[[User talk:WLU|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/WLU|(c)]] Wikipedia's rules:</small>[[WP:SIMPLE|<sup><span style='color:#FFA500'>simple</span></sup>]]/[[WP:POL|<sub><span style='color:#008080'>complex</span></sub>]] 13:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, I have always thought of moving the article. After all, the whole article should have the 'e' either lower case or higher case, the former being more appropriate.--[[User:Sainsf|<span style="color:green;">Sainsf &lt;^&gt;</span>]] [[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:black;">(</span><span style="color:purple;">talk</span><span style="color:black;">)</span>]] 11:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
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The result of the move request was: already '''moved to [[Common eland]]''' by [[User:Topbanana|Topbanana]]. Uncontroversial like so many recent mammal renamings. [[User:Favonian|Favonian]] ([[User talk:Favonian|talk]]) 15:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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[[Common Eland]] → {{no redirect|1=Common eland}} – The 'e' in the Common Eland need not be capital anyhow. The lower case is much appropriate. But there is a redirect page, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Common_eland&redirect=no Common eland], that is causing problem. --[[User:Sainsf|<span style="color:green;">Sainsf &lt;^&gt;</span>]] [[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:black;">(</span><span style="color:purple;">talk</span><span style="color:black;">)</span>]] 09:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:FNAME]]. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 00:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:MAMMAL]] guidelines. [[User:Jackhynes|Jack]] ([[User talk:Jackhynes|talk]]) 09:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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== Size information inconsistent ==

The size and weight information in the lead is not entirely consistent with that at [[Common eland#Physical description]]. I would suggest that the lead be changed to give a less precise set of ranges consistent with the later information. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 10:37, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

:{{Done}}. I have fixed it. I think it is consistent now.--[[User:Sainsf|<span style="color:green;">Sainsf &lt;^&gt;</span>]] [[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:black;">(</span><span style="color:purple;">talk</span><span style="color:black;">)</span>]] 12:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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== GA review ==

With all due respect to the nominator and the reviewer (of GA2) who have made this a well-''written'' article, I see some problems here esp. in the references. Not all of them are templated/done in the same way, and some of them are not to reliable sources. References 3, 4, and 5 are not to a reliable source; surely there are better sources for these etymologies. The citation for ref 7 is incomplete, and ditto for 10 (besides, [[Oracle Thinkquest]] is NOT a reliable source). I corrected an error in the template for 16 (and put the notes in the proper order). Note 17 cites a chapter, but the inclusive page numbers aren't given (and it has ''pp.'' for a single page). This was a good reason to not pass it as a GA; if these errors are corrected and more, better sources are found, it can maintain GA status. Sorry, but them's the shakes. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

:{{Done}}. I have fixed these errors and added good references for the etymology. --[[User:Sainsf|<span style="font-family:Calibri; font-size: 12pt; color:blue">'''S'''ains'''f'''</span>]] <span style="color:purple;">&lt;^&gt;</span><sub>[[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:green;">Talk all words</span>]]</sub> 05:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== MSW3 online ==

Is there a reason why FN16 (ref name = wilson) only references the printed version, when there's a much more accessible online version [http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?s=y&id=14200717 here]? The usual way to reference it would be <nowiki>{{MSW3 Artiodactyla | id = 14200717 | page = 696–7}}</nowiki>, giving:

:{{MSW3 Artiodactyla | id = 14200717 | page = 696–7}}

--[[User:Stfg|Stfg]] ([[User talk:Stfg|talk]]) 13:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

:Good idea. I have put that reference. Thanks for your help! --[[User:Sainsf|<span style="font-family:Calibri; font-size: 12pt; color:blue">'''S'''ains'''f'''</span>]] <span style="color:purple;">&lt;^&gt;</span><sub>[[User talk:Sainsf|<span style="color:green;">Talk all words</span>]]</sub> 05:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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