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== Official English release ==

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2014/08/23/sekai-project-licenses-clannad-full-voice-edition-steam-release/ --[[User:Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy|<span style="color:green;">'''minhhuy'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy|talk]])</sup> 05:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Requested move 19 December 2020 ==
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[[:Clannad (visual novel)]] → {{no redirect|Clannad (video game)}} – Proper disambiguation per [[WP:NCVGDAB]]. <sub><small>[[User:Zxcvbnm|ZXCVBNM]] ([[User Talk:Zxcvbnm|TALK]])</small></sub> 01:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{block indent|em=1.6|1=<small>Notified: [[WT:VG]], [[WT:ANIME]]. — [[User:Goszei|Goszei]] ([[User_talk:Goszei|talk]])  20:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)</small>}}<!-- Template:Notified -->
*'''Support''' since Visual novels are a genre of video games and it’s the same reason [[Contra (video game)]] isn’t titled [[Contra (Shoot 'em up)]]. I also noticed the existence of [[Air (visual novel)]] and would suggest moving that as well.--[[Special:Contributions/65.92.160.124|65.92.160.124]] ([[User talk:65.92.160.124|talk]]) 03:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:*{{reply|65.92.160.124}} If this move goes through, I will just boldly move the other one or request an uncontroversial move, citing this discussion.<sub><small>[[User:Zxcvbnm|ZXCVBNM]] ([[User Talk:Zxcvbnm|TALK]])</small></sub> 07:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. A good deal of our VN articles use (visual novel) as disambiguation – see [[:Category:Visual novels]]. I suspect this has resulted from an attempt to accommodate (via [[WP:NPOVTITLE]]) the long-standing debate on whether visual novels should be considered "video games" at all, or something akin to multimedia books. This NPOV argument is something to consider. — [[User:Goszei|Goszei]] ([[User_talk:Goszei|talk]])  08:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
:*{{reply|Goszei}} The RS state that visual novels are absolutely video games. If someone has a problem with that, they'd be going against published RS that state as such. An example is [https://books.google.com/books?id=QUrarEcvaO8C&pg=PA194#v=onepage&q&f=false here], where it states that the inclusion of branching path stories qualifies them to be games. Clannad similarly shares a branching plot. There may be an argument when it comes to completely linear visual novels, but those usually aren't even called "visual novels".<sub><small>[[User:Zxcvbnm|ZXCVBNM]] ([[User Talk:Zxcvbnm|TALK]])</small></sub> 08:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
::*Also, since [[WP:NPOV]] calls for us to cover all views that have been covered by reliable sources means that since reliable sources are in agreement they visual novels are video games our NPOV rules in fact encourage the proposed title. In short [[wikipedia:NPOVTITLE]] is a nonissue.--[[Special:Contributions/65.92.160.124|65.92.160.124]] ([[User talk:65.92.160.124|talk]]) 21:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
* '''Strong support''' -  I have been baffled by how VNs are treated differently like this for ''ages'', and would very much like to see the (visual novel) disambiguation deprecated.--[[User:Alexandra IDV|Alexandra]]<sup>[[User talk:Alexandra IDV|IDV]]</sup> 13:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
::Depending on how this goes I believe it may be time to do a large scale move of such articles.--[[Special:Contributions/65.92.160.124|65.92.160.124]] ([[User talk:65.92.160.124|talk]]) 03:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per standard [[WP:NCVGDAB]]. Visual novels don't need more precise disambiguation any more than other genres. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:Hellknowz|<span style="color: #B00;">HELL</span>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:Hellknowz|TALK]]</small> 12:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Visual novels exist in a grey area between video games and literature and I would expect the question of whether or not any given visual novel is or is not a video game to be a fairly subjective matter. While "[[Clannad (video game)]]" would likely be a perfectly acceptable title; "[[Clannad (visual novel)]]" avoids the question of what exactly a visual novel is and avoids the possible implication that the article may be about a video game adaptation of said visual novel. [[User:HumanBodyPiloter5|HumanBodyPiloter5]] ([[User talk:HumanBodyPiloter5|talk]]) 16:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''': In essence, a visual novel is a form of interactive storytelling, even if it's basically a novel. I think what makes this one a "video game" is the fact that the ultimate outcome is influenced by gamey mechanics rather than being restricted to a single path or several set paths that only require the scrolling of text. Calling ''Clannad'' a video game is kind of a no-brainer, as visual novel is more of a genre and mechanical description than a separate entity to a video game. --[[User:ProtoDrake|ProtoDrake]] ([[User talk:ProtoDrake|talk]]) 20:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this and others- if visual novel is considered a type of video game, then the default disambiguation is (video game) like it is for other types. --'''[[User:PresN|<span style="color:green">Pres</span>]][[User talk:PresN|<span style="color:blue">N</span>]]''' 18:27, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Requested move at [[Clannad]] ==

There's a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clannad#Requested_move_12_August_2021 requested move] at [[Clannad]] that editors watching this page might be interested in as well. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:40, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

== Clannad is not a "game", it is a "visual novel" ==

There's constant push to re-lable every visual novel as a video game because of the december 2021 discussion. I first noticed this with FrontWing's ISLAND and it's being pushed everywhere now.

As I've said when I edited that page, Island is not a "game". It is a "choose your adventure" book told with the aid of audio and visual. Visual Novels of the nature of Clannad and Island don't contain investigative player deduction of the Ace Attorney games, the puzzles of Virtue's Last Reward or the stat management of Tokimeki Memorial nor is it interspliced for cutscenes of a more conventional action game or RPG. They're pure deliberate novels and should be treated as such. 

I'm requesting a site wide undo of labeling everything visual novel as a video when the work in question lacks a proper gamified element. 

None of these works properly match the definition of "video game" as a concept and only serves to mis-inform. [[User:Samalik16|Samalik16]] ([[User talk:Samalik16|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

== GA concerns ==

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the [[WP:GA?|good article criteria]] due to the numerous uncited paragraphs in the article. While the "Plot" section does not need citations, the other sections should have a citation at the end of each paragraph. Is anyone interested in addressing these concerns, or should this go to [[WP:GAR]]? [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 14:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

==GA Reassessment==
{{Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Clannad (video game)/1}}