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== Oppose move (2008)==

Article moved to misleading title without discussion. The Channel Islands are not part of the UK and do not "belong" to the UK as made clear in the article. Article should be moved back pending discussion. [[User:Man vyi|Man vyi]] ([[User talk:Man vyi|talk]]) 05:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:Agreed - move reverted.&nbsp;[[User:Tivedshambo|Tivedshambo]]<small> [[User talk:Tivedshambo|(talk)]]</small> 17:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Another proposed guideline for "the British Isles" ==

I have numerous concerns about [[Wikipedia:British Isles|the current proposal]] for a guideline for the use of the term British Isles and have written [[User:Sony-youth/sandbox|another proposal]]. My main concerns were that the proposal as it is written here did not walk the line of [[WP:NPOV]], did not have an adequate grounding in current consensus and practice, and did not offer any concrete guidelines ''per se'' that an editor could follow or easily understand (in the broadest sense of the term).

My proposed guidelines are [[User:Sony-youth/sandbox|here]]. --[[User:Sony-youth|<span style="font-family:Zapfino, sans-serif">sony-youth</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Sony-youth|pléigh]]</sup> 20:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Channel Islands]] vs.[[:Category:Archipelagoes]] ==

[[:Category:Channel Islands]] is itself a category within [[:Category:Archipelagoes]]. — [[User:Robertgreer|Robert Greer]] ([[User talk:Robertgreer|talk]]) 01:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Channel Islands needs to be disambiguated ==

The small islands off the coast of Los Angeles are also known as the Channel Islands. A disambiguation page for "Channel Islands" is thus needed. — [[User:pefty]] ([[User talk:pefty|talk]]) 01:20, 24 December 2008 (EST)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.22.203.177|75.22.203.177]] ([[User talk:75.22.203.177|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== RFC on whether the Channel Islands are a part of the British Isles ==

An RFC has been opened inviting comments on whether the [[Channel Islands]] should be treated as part of the [[British Isles]] on Wikipedia. All views are welcome '''[[Wikipedia:British Isles Terminology task force/Channel Islands|here]]'''. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid <small>([[User talk:Rannpháirtí anaithnid|coṁrá]])</small> 20:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Requested move 22 October 2018 ==

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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''consensus not to move''' the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 17:00, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
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[[:Channel Islands]] → <s>{{no redirect|British Channel Islands}}</s> – {{Font color|#D0D0D0|<s>or "Channel Islands (UK)" or "Channel Islands (British)"</s>}} {{Font color |green |"Channel Islands (English Channel)", "Channel Islands (Europe)"<sup>&dagger;</sup>}} or (I hope not) "Channel Islands (Crown dependency)"<BR/>"Channel Islands" should be a dab page since I don't believe it is universally understood to refer to the subject. In the U.S. (and I suspect elsewhere outside the U.K./Ireland/France), we know about [[Guernsey]] and [[Jersey]], but not commonly the name "(British) Channel Islands". In California, our "Channel Islands" are well known. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 03:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
: {{Font color|green|<sup>&dagger;</sup>}}(edited to {{Font color|#D0D0D0|<s>strikeout/gray</s>}} offensive/inaccurate choices, add suggested options in {{Font color|green|green}}) <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 20:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
:(pinging {{Ping|Voice of Clam|p=}}, who reverted the previous (undiscussed) move.) <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 05:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::Surely you don't expect me to remember what I did over ten yuears ago? However my reasons still stand - the Channel Islands are neither part of Great Britain nor the United Kingdom, therefore any renaming should reflect this. <s>I'm neutral about whether this should remain the primary topic of if a DAB page is required.</s> ''(edit at 09:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC) - no longer neutral - see below)'' O [[User:Voice of Clam|Still Small]] [[User talk:Voice of Clam|Voice of Clam]] (formerly Optimist on the run) 07:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::: Would ''[[Channel Islands (Europe)]]'' be acceptable? [[User talk:Richardw|Richard]] 08:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::: {{Ping|Voice of Clam}} I pinged you as a possibly interested party, based on your reversion of the previous rename. The original renamer does not appear active. I brought it here for discussion and suggested alternatives based on your original concerns. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 01:07, 23 October 2018 (UTC) 
*'''Oppose'''. [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22channel+islands%22 Google hits] and [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Channel_Islands|Channel_Islands_(California) page views] show that the British islands are the primary topic. [[User:Celia Homeford|Celia Homeford]] ([[User talk:Celia Homeford|talk]]) 13:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - per [[WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY]] I find the page view data makes it incontrovertible which is the main article. [COI declaration: I'm a Channel Islander] [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 13:50, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per common name and primary topic [[User:AmYisroelChai|עם ישראל חי]] ([[User talk:AmYisroelChai|talk]]) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
**'''Comments'''{{Snd}} Google (FWIW) search priority appears to depend on where you are. Even using google.co.uk (against interest) to search for [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22channel+islands%22 "channel islands"], for me (in SoCal), the first page of hits are all about our (California) Channel Islands, except for the wiki article shown on the right side and the hit for the current Wiki article (the Channel Islands (California) article appears right after it).
::As far as number of hits (again FWIW), searching (again on google.co.uk) [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22channel+islands%22+%22california%22 "channel islands" "california"] yields 12.3 million hits (supposedly); searching [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22channel+islands%22+%22guernsey%22 "channel islands" "guernsey"] yields 27.8 million hits{{Snd}} a 69:31 split.
::The [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=Channel_Islands|Channel_Islands_(California) page views comparison] shows no worse than an 80:20 split for various periods. We also don't know how many of those were people that went to "Channel Islands" and were surprised (like I was) to not get the page they expected.
::None of these stats seem to qualify as overwhelming enough to make either page the primary target. I can understand doing so for 100:1 or even 10:1, but these stats aren't even close to those ratios.
::P.S.: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Channel_Islands&namespace=0&hidetrans=1&hideredirs=1 "What links here"] seems to include articles (e.g. [[Antarctic]] that transclude a navbox (like [[Template:Regions of Europe|Regions of Europe]]) that have an inlink to the article in question. Setting namespace to Articles and "Hide transclusions" doesn't seem to help. Is there a way to list/count inlinks effectively (i.e. only links directly from another page, before resolving any transclusions)? <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 00:11, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
:::most people have never even heard of channel islands California the first time I've ever heard of them was reading this RM [[User:AmYisroelChai|עם ישראל חי]] ([[User talk:AmYisroelChai|talk]]) 14:26, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
::::{{u|AmYisroelChai}}, what evidence do you have that "most people have never even heard of channel islands California"?  The ones in California are what comes to my mind when I hear Channel Islands.  [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan]] 23:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
::::: if you live on the west coast that may be true [[User:AmYisroelChai|עם ישראל חי]] ([[User talk:AmYisroelChai|talk]]) 14:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{u|AmYisroelChai}}, I don't live on the west coast.  I will ask again, what evidence do you have that "most people have never even heard of channel islands California"? [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan]] 20:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per comments above and [[WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY]]. O [[User:Voice of Clam|Still Small]] [[User talk:Voice of Clam|Voice of Clam]] (formerly Optimist on the run) 09:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. By far the best known Channel Islands in the world. Semi-autonomous states. Significant role in WWII. Population about forty times larger than the California islands. Clear primary topic. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and next editor SNOW close please''' [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:32, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Note'''{{Snd}} I've briefly requested further input at [[Talk:Channel Islands (California)]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography]] to gain a wider audience. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 17:27, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for the various reasons given above by others.  The term "Channel Islands" in English overwhelmingly refers to these ones.  As long as a line mentioning the other (lesser-used) meanings of the term continues to be prominent at the top of the page, we should be OK.  [[User:Rsfinlayson|Ross Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Rsfinlayson|talk]]) 19:49, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom.  I'm not convinced that it's overwhelmingly more likely to search for, or link, these islands (especially under the name "Channel Islands") than the California ones.  --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 21:05, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' these channel islands are located in the English Channel, so... [[English Channel Islands]] or [[Channel Islands (English Channel)]] ? -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.42.18|65.94.42.18]] ([[User talk:65.94.42.18|talk]]) 04:17, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
** ''English Channel Islands'' would suggest that the islands are English – which they are not. [[User talk:Richardw|Richard]] 11:02, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
*** It would suggest the islands are in the English Channel -- which they are. -- And they're holdings of the English Crown since the Conquest, thus before the Act of Union. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.42.18|65.94.42.18]] ([[User talk:65.94.42.18|talk]]) 04:15, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' and suggest warning {{u|AlanM1}} for forum shopping. [[User:Jeni|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:deeppink;">Jeni</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Jeni|<span style="color:deeppink;">talk</span>]])</sup> 10:26, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
**'''Comment'''{{Snd}} {{Ping|Jeni}} I took due note of [[WP:CANVAS]], notifying parties with a legitimate interest (i.e. the other article and Wikiproject Geography (which should be neutral with regard to location bias)), and I mentioned that I did so above. Note that I carefully avoided Wikiproject California to avoid bringing more bias to the discussion. I don't see any point in bringing a bunch of Californians in to say they know our Channel Islands better and people in the UK, France, and Ireland to say they know the ones in the English Channel better – I already stipulated that. I've really tried to be balanced here, and have tried to respond reasonably to the concerns raised. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 10:49, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Channel Islands|WikiProject Channel Islands]] has yet to be notified of this proposed move. [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 11:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
::*I didn't know it existed. Six people have bothered to list themselves as members, only two of which are active. The project page has less than 30 watchers and 42 page views in the last 30 days. It has 30 edits (20 of them, and the only significant contribution in almost all of its life). Its talk page has 7 sections and 14 edits (half by that same active user), in its less than five-year lifetime.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Channel_Islands&action=info] I would not object to notifying them, though. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 21:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:::&#91;edit&#93; but let's also notify the other WikiProjects listed at both articles if people feel that will help to achieve consensus. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 23:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''{{Snd}} On the subject of Wikiprojects, the subject article is rated start-class and top- or low-importance (or unrated importance) to the [[#top|five Wikiprojects]] that are interested in it, four of which (other than [[Wikipedia:WikiProject France|WikiProject France]]) are similarly relatively inactive. The Channel Islands (California) article is rated C-class and of high importance to the relatively more active [[Wikipedia:WikiProject California|WikiProject California]]. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 22:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''{{Snd}} Looking more carefully at the page-view stats for the last year:
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|+One-year Monthly Average Statistics<br/>Oct 2017 through Sep 2018
|-
! Statistic
! [[Channel Islands (California)|CA]][https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-10&end=2018-09&pages=Channel_Islands_(California)]
! [[Channel Islands|EC]][https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-10&end=2018-09&pages=Channel_Islands]
|-
! scope="row" | Page views
| 15125 (19%)
| 64207 (81%)
|-
! scope="row" | Edits
| 41 (45%)
| 50 (55%)
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! scope="row" | Editors
| 28 (45%)
| 34 (55%)
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! scope="row" | Watchers
| 107 (65%)
| 197 (35%)
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:Again, I believe that these percentages are significant enough to demonstrate the significant number of readers that are [[WP:ASTONISH|surprised]] to find the subject page at its current title. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 22:50, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
::Your use of the term 'UK' here points to a misunderstanding of the history and political status of the Channel Islands. They are not part of the [[United Kingdom|UK]]. The idea of renaming the article is fraught with difficulties - for instance, the Islands are in the English Channel, but are not [[England|English]]. [[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 14:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
:::I understand completely. By "UK" I mean to indicate proximity (briefly), nothing else. I believe I've made that clear. "(Europe)" or "(English Channel)" or "(Crown dependency)" if necessary all seem reasonable and accurate as a suffix. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 20:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
:::I've edited the table header to address the concern, however. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 20:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on the grounds that it would be really really stupid to change, and I have never heard of the cali channel islands. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' <small>in the middle</small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 10:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''{{Snd}} Several people seem to be making the argument mentioned [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Not_"what_first_comes_to_(your)_mind"|here]]. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 20:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
:: ... indeed, including yourself in your original post, but what is your point here? I of course would suggest that more people haven't heard of the cali Channel Islands that people who haven't heard of the real Channel Isles, except that I lose track of the double negatives. Of course, the Cali Isles should actually be called the "Not In A Real Channel Islands" anyway. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' <small>in the middle</small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 01:30, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
:::The number of people (out of 7 billion in the world) that haven't heard of '''either''' likely far overshadows any other statistic. As far as the rest, I don't understand your use of "real". They are certainly "real", and in the [[Santa Barbara Channel]]. <span style="color:red;">—&#91;</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:green;">Alan</span><span style="color:blue;">M</span><span style="color:purple;">1</span></span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red;">&#93;—</span> 02:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as per [[User:Necrothesp]]. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 22:14, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per [[User:Necrothesp]].-<span style="font-family:cursive; color:grey;">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</span> 23:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
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== The Channel Islands are in the English Channel ==
I have restored the article to {{diff2|907246670|this version}} which includes in the lead section that the Channel Islands are "in the [[English Channel]]". {{diff2|687535|This article has said so since January 2003}}. It surprises me that this could be in any way contentious, but {{u|Noel darlow}} has repeatedly removed this statement ({{diff2|910975138}}, {{diff2|910930152}}, {{diff2|910887699}}, {{diff2|910813448}}). His rationale is "When you look at a map, it's difficult to understand how this island group could be described as being located in the English Channel. It seems confusing to describe their location in such a way." That may be his opinion, but Wikipedia deals in facts, and the Channel Islands are geographically in the English Channel. So for that matter is [[Chausey]] - the French Channel Island, even nearer to Normandy - or the [[Roches-Douvres Light]].

As the English Channel article states, the [[International Hydrographic Organization]] defines the Channel as the sea east of a line joining [[Île Vierge]] and [[Land's End]] through to where the Channel joins the [[North Sea]] off [[Calais]]. This includes the waters a[d]joining the Brittany and Normandy coast.

[[File:English Channel.jpg|thumb|right|250px|English Channel.jpg: It runs from Calais past Brest, not from Calais to Cherbourg]]
If any reader remains to be convinced, here are a selection of references to support the statement:

* {{Cite web|url=https://www.dictionary.com/browse/channel-islands|title=Definition of channel islands {{!}} Dictionary.com|website=www.dictionary.com|language=en|access-date=2019-08-16}}
* {{Cite web|url=https://www.britannica.com/place/Channel-Islands-English-Channel|title=Channel Islands {{!}} islands, English Channel|website=Encyclopedia Britannica|language=en|access-date=2019-08-16}}
* {{Cite news|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18175986|title=Channel Islands profile|date=2015-03-16|access-date=2019-08-16|language=en-GB}}
* {{Cite web|url=https://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/channel.htm|title=Map of Channel Islands - European Maps, Europe Maps Channel Islands Map Information - World Atlas|website=www.worldatlas.com|access-date=2019-08-16}}
* {{Cite web|url=https://study.com/academy/lesson/where-are-jersey-guernsey-the-channel-islands.html|title=Where are Jersey & Guernsey? - The Channel Islands|website=Study.com|language=en|access-date=2019-08-16}}
* {{Cite web|url=https://www.channelislands.eu/|title=Channel Islands Brussels Office (CIBO)|website=Channel Islands Brussels Office (CIBO)|language=en-US|access-date=2019-08-16}}
* {{Cite web|url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/je.html|title=Europe :: Jersey — The World Factbook - Central Intelligence Agency|website=www.cia.gov|access-date=2019-08-16}}

[[User:Curb Safe Charmer|Curb Safe Charmer]] ([[User talk:Curb Safe Charmer|talk]]) 14:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
:Yup. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' <small>the dog</small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 14:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
:Yup. Maybe [[User:Noel darlow|Noel Darlow]] thought "English Channel" meant "[[Dover Strait]]" or something?&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Llywelyn<span style="color: Gold;">II</span></span>]] 20:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

== The Chausey Islands ==

The second paragraph contains this sentence: "In official Jersey Standard French, the islands are called 'Îles de la Manche', while in France, the term 'Îles Anglo-normandes' (Anglo-Norman Isles) is used to refer to the British 'Channel Islands' in contrast to other islands in the Channel."<br>
I have modified the sentence to "In official Jersey Standard French, the Channel Islands ... ", to clarify that the comment doesn't refer to the Chausey Islands; however, I believe the sentence is misplaced, as the sub-heading is "The Chausey Islands". The sentence should, I suggest, be relocated to the sub-section '''Names'''. Anyone care to comment? [[User:Prisoner of Zenda|Prisoner of Zenda]] ([[User talk:Prisoner of Zenda|talk]]) 00:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

== Part of Commonwealth of Nations or not? ==
In the lead it claims the Islands are NOT part of the Commonwealth?  However U.K. legislation ([[:File:AnnexB_Members_of_the_Commonwealth.pdf]]) British Nationality Act (1981 c 61) Annex B" states: "United Kingdom Dependent Territories[https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Territories_forming_part_of_the_Commonwealth]
Crown Dependencies:
*'''Channel Islands'''
*'''Isle of Man'''"
Say otherwise. Is there a source for the current claim that they aren't a part? [[User:CaribDigita|CaribDigita]] ([[User talk:CaribDigita|talk]]) 04:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
:Not sure what you're on about. Look at the sources you just provided. See that big empty area where all the other entries have dates? ''That's'' what the article currently agrees with. They're (Crown) dependencies <s>of</s>, er, overseen by a country (the UK) that is a Commonwealth member. They themselves are not Commonwealth members or fully and formally incorporated territory of a Commonwealth member.

:As an aside, are there any benefits to being "part of the Commonwealth" that makes this distinction important? Discounts at Tescos or Nandos or sth?&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Llywelyn<span style="color: Gold;">II</span></span>]] 20:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

==Yeah, but no==
Currently, the article reads
:Historically, they are the remnants of the Duchy of Normandy. 
which is kinda sorta accurate in a way that's fine for a lead overview. Hell, the Channelleers even toast their "Duke" ''thinking'' they're talking about Normandy to this day. However, at ''some'' point in the body of the article, there should be a brief acknowledgement that the [[1259 Treaty of Paris]] formally reorganized them as part of the [[Duchy of Aquitaine|Duchy of ''Aquitaine'']] instead when Henry{{nbsp}}III finally acknowledged that Normandy was gone for the foreseeable future. (If the exact point afterwards that the islands got severed from Aquitaine and became entirely free-floating not-quite-English-or-British dependencies could be pinpointed, that would be worth mentioning too. More likely, it was just a series of vague not-quite-statements that shifted the situation over time.)&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User talk:LlywelynII|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Llywelyn<span style="color: Gold;">II</span></span>]] 19:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)