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== I'm pretty sure March 22, 1965, is too early for release date.  ==

I've been reading all the 1965 issues of the weekly trade magazines Billboard, Cash Box, and Record World, looking for earliest notice of songs in my home collection. I note that The Early Beatles was released March 22, and reviews for that album start appearing in the issues dated April 3. But there were no mentions of Dylan's album, not even ads. Columbia paid for full page ads for the single "Subterranean Homesick Blues".
An article in Cash Box, April 10 1965, page 6, states that Bringing It All Back Home is one of Columbia Records's APRIL releases.
Billboard April 17, page 31, lists it under the New Album Releases. This section listed albums that had recently been released, or were soon going to be released. The Reviews section only rated albums that had been released. Billboard, Cash Box and Record World reviewed it in their April 24 issues (on sale April 17). These issues are when the first ads for the album appeared also. Actually, it made Cash Box Top 100 album chart in that issue. So basically it seems to have been released in the range April 10-17.
Unfortunately, the trades never bothered to state the exact release dates of records (the only exception I found in four months was for The Sound of Music soundtrack). So I can't supply a specific date.
I feel that if I change the date from "March 22" to "April" it will just get changed back, since March 22 seems to be the current official release date - probably listed in dozens of books and hundreds of web sites. But if I do make this change, what would be the best cite for it? [[User:PatConolly|PatConolly]] ([[User talk:PatConolly|talk]]) 04:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|PatConolly}}. I'm not really versed in Dylan literature so I can't make an informed judgement, but it wouldn't surprise me if things were screwed up by later biographers. There was [[Talk:The Dark Side of the Moon/Archive 6#RfC: Is Billboard magazine a reliable source?|a similar issue brought up a few years ago regarding the UK release date of ''The Dark Side of the Moon'']]. Most later authors cite March 24, 1973, as ''TDSotM''{{'s}} UK release date, but an editor noticed that that dating didn't give enough time between its release and chart debut. That issue was resolved when an editor found contemporary articles advertising March 16 as the actual UK release date. 
:Some editors who I expect may know more about Dylan literature include {{u|BennyOnTheLoose}} and {{u|Kohoutek1138}}. Also, {{u|Richard3120}} shows in those ''TDSotM'' discussions that he knows his way around old magazine articles. <span style="font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 40px black">[[User:Tkbrett|<b><span style="color: #000000;">Tkbrett</span></b>]][[User talk:Tkbrett|<span style="color: #FF0000;"> (✉)</span>]]</span> 13:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::What PatConolly says makes sense. A record label wouldn't normally advertise an album in the music press weeks before its release, unless there was a last-minute delay... why would you spend big money taking out the adverts, only for people to find they can't buy the album yet, and waste that money? Certainly in the UK press, the appearance of the advert is a big clue to the release week of the record. [[User:Richard3120|Richard3120]] ([[User talk:Richard3120|talk]]) 16:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::The ''Honolulu Star-Bulletin'', 14 Mar 1965, p.95 says "Bob Dylan's new album 'Taking It All Back Home' {{sic}} will be out on Columbia this month." I didn't find anything else until 2 April 1965, when ''The Palo Alto Times'' has an advert (p.20) for a record store offering 25% discount on "Entire Columbia catalogue. Featuring the new Bob Dylan record - 'Bringing It All Back Home'". I think the ''Cash Box'' article for April 10 is a suitable source for saying it was an April release, but that there should be a footnote saying that secondary sources generally state March 22. [[User:BennyOnTheLoose|BennyOnTheLoose]] ([[User talk:BennyOnTheLoose|talk]]) 19:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
::::In my experience, there are often discrepancies with Columbia albums between what later biographical sources state was an LP's release date and what then-current print media suggests. This is certainly the case for the Byrds' album ''[[Sweetheart of the Rodeo]]'', for example, where a footnote was added to the infobox stating that the release date cited in later biograpies etc doesn't seem to match up with the album's appearances on the charts. I believe there is also similar uncertainty about the release date of Dylan's own ''[[Blonde on Blonde]]'' too, and that article has a dedicated "Date discrepancy" sub-section in it. So, my suggestion for the ''Bringing It All Back Home'' article would be list the "officially recognised" release date of March 22 in the infobox, but with a footnote explaining why its likely that this date is incorrect. [[User:Kohoutek1138|Kohoutek1138]] ([[User talk:Kohoutek1138|talk]]) 08:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)