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Vacalary 10 difficult word meaning English and sentence is bisaya

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Hi.  I lived on and travled around Panay.   One of my close friends is born and raised in Capiz, and she says they all speak Illongo (Hiligaynon).  When I visited, that's what everyone I saw was speaking.  There were a few unique words, on the scale of the difference between English in California and English in Alabama.   Does anyone know or know of people who speak the Capiznon language?   Because I never heard of it before this article.   Is it more in rural areas?  I could just not be aware of it, but it is definitely not the main language of the province.   Officially, Capiz, Iloilo, Guimaras, and Negros Occidental (where Bacolod is) were all considered to be Illongo-speaking provinces.

::Capiznon is spoken in more rural parts of Capiz itself. Let the name 'Capiznon' not fool you into thinking that it is the main tongue of Capiz province, because it's not. Ilonggo is. If you would refer to a linguistic map, Ilonggo speaking areas would take up most of Capiz including the coastal areas, Roxas City, leaving rural inland areas to the south and southwest of the province as Capiznon speaking areas. [[User:Si lapu lapu|Si lapu lapu]] ([[User talk:Si lapu lapu|talk]]) 13:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)si lapu lapu 

Also, Hiligaynon and Kinaray-a are very closely related.  I'd be surprised if they weren't in the same sub-family.   There is much more mutual comprehension between Kinaray-a speakers and Hiligaynon  speakers, than between speakers of Hiligaynon and Cebuano.  A lot of the differences took a recognisable pattern, where an L in Hiligaynon would be an R in Kinary-a.   For instance, 'talong' (eggplant) became 'tarong.   Similarly, 'ligos' for bath, would be 'rigos'.    

There's also some very obvious structural similarities between Hiligaynon and Aklanon, although the people I knew who were raised speaking English or Hiligaynon found some of the sounds very difficult to pronounce.  There was a sort of swallowed 'y' sound that only natives of Aklan ever seemed capable of getting correct.  It also seemed to be a substitue for L.   For instance, in Aklan, the language was called Akyanon instead of Aklanon, and the word for house (Tagalog 'bahay' or Hiligaynon 'balay') became 'bayay'

This is all personal observation and fairly amateur lingustics, so if anyone knows better, please correct me. [[User:68.234.12.90|68.234.12.90]] 05:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Please include Bacolod.Thanks.--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 04:12, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

:Under Cebuano? I didn't include any city references, but perhaps the Bacolod reference is more appropriate under the Cebuano article. --[[User:Christopher Sundita|Chris]] 10:05, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

::Hi. I don't know the the linguistic categories but I do love languages and  I 'm from Capiz but travelled to Iloilo, Bacolod, Aklan and some Luzon provinces. I understand Illonggo but don't speak it well(grew up in Manila but have relatives and travelled a lot to Roxas City). But fellow Illonggo speakers can tell I'm from an Illonggo province because the accent sometimes comes out when I speak Tagalog. With differences in accents and choice of words, Ilonggo is spoken and mutually understood in Capiz, Romblon, Bacolod and parts of Aklan. If there is a Capiznon,  Romblon and the language of Bacolod should be considered as variants or versions of Illonggo.  From experience I believe people from Bacolod don't speak Cebuano but Illonggo. Anyone from Bacolod who would like to comment? --[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 06:25, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

:::Bacolod people speak Ilonggo (more formally known as [[Hiligaynon]], though curiously a lot of the Ilonggo speakers I know are not aware that Hiligaynon is the same thing). [[User:TheCoffee|TheCoffee]] 18:06, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
==j sound==
Copied from the [[Hinduism in the Philippines]] discussion page:
:Just a question for the Visayan language speakers or perhaps other: does the phoneme /j/ occur in this language? [[User:Meursault2004|Meursault2004]] 10:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
::Yes, V Speakers can pronounce the j but this was not a pre-Spanish sound nor can it be found in pure native non-hispanic, non-English words. It is similar to the Di sound, 'Dios ko '(My God), etc.--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 07:32, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

:OK thanks. So Visaya could be a native pronunciation of Wijaya/Vijaya. [[User:Meursault2004|Meursault2004]] 08:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

::Many 'j' sounds became s in various Philippine languages during the early Spanish period. 'javon' became sabon and  Reloj => Relos . Spanish of course today pronounces the j as an h (Jesus=> Hesus). But in the early  period it was similar to the j of French and Portugese like a zsh sound. In the Philippines, this  sound evolved into the s sound. Some Filipinos have names like Sese(Jese), Sesus (Jesus). --[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 08:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

:::You can encounter the /j/ sound in some Visayan dialects. The /j/ sound is a distinguishing feature of the Boholano dialect (usually considered a dialect of the Cebuano language) of central Bohol. In [[Boholano]], /j/ is often used to replace the /y/ sound. --[[User:Wng|Wng]] 08:17, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

::::These Boholano words are not Spanish-based like Dios => Jos (God), Diario=> Jaryo(newspaper), etc?--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 08:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

:::::I think this is limited to central and eastern Bohol. Iya (his, her) becomes Ija. Babaye (woman) becomes babaje. The k also becomes h. Akò (mine)(is ò the correct symbol for the glottal stop?) becomes ahò. --[[User:Nino Gonzales|Nino Gonzales]] 04:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

::::::The "correct" symbol for a glottal stop is {{IPA|ʔ}} - so {{IPA|'akoʔ}}, but that's IPA.  But writing it as an accent depends on the stress.  And you got it right. As for the "aho" - are you talking about a regular "h" or a German "ch" ?  In Tagalog, a similar thing happens with "ako" or "k" between vowels. --[[User:Christopher Sundita|Chris S.]] 04:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

:: The /j/ based words is not only limited to Bohol province.  In the province of Romblon, particularly in the municipality of San Fernando in Sibuyan Island, most words pronounced as /y/ in Romblomanon becomes /j/ in San Fernando & Azagra areas.  Ayam (Dog) is Ajam in Sibuyan; while Ayagak (Wailing) is Ajagak in Sibuyan and many more.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.101.224.240|78.101.224.240]] ([[User talk:78.101.224.240|talk]]) 08:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Kinamiguin ==

I recently created a page for [[Kinamiguin]].  I would like to add it to this page but want to give everyone a chance to comment before making any changes.  Please also look at the [[Talk:Kinamiguin]] page. [[User:Kaiwen1|Gavin]] 08:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

== Southern Visayan and Mansakan ==
It looks like Mansakan and the former Southern Visayan group are now synonymous,without Surigaonon?[[User:Kasumi-genx|Kasumi-genx]] ([[User talk:Kasumi-genx|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 02:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Old grammars and dictionaries of Visayan ==

http://books.google.com/books?id=b6ITAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

== Free Picture of the Lord's Prayer in Baybayin Visayan (Bisaya) ==

the image is public domain and can be uploaded

http://books.google.com/books?id=uUhiAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA361#v=onepage&q&f=false

[[User:Rajmaan|Rajmaan]] ([[User talk:Rajmaan|talk]]) 06:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

== Visayan language materials ==

Visayan-English dictionary (1911)

https://archive.org/details/adb1552.0001.001.umich.edu

A Bisayan grammar and notes on Bisayan rhetoric and poetics and Filipino dialectology (1908)

https://archive.org/details/bisayangrammarno00romurich

A Bisayan Grammar and Notes on Bisayan Rhetoric and Poetics and Filipino Dialectology By Norberto Romuáldez

http://books.google.com/books?id=b6ITAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Lord's prayer in 250 languages and 180 forms of writing By Pietro Marietti, Wendell Jordan S. Krieg, Catholic Church. Congregatio de Propaganda Fide

http://books.google.com/books?id=uUhiAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA361#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mga paquigpulong sa Iningles ug Binisaya (1905)

https://archive.org/details/afu8653.0001.001.umich.edu

Diccionario español-bisaya para las provincias de Sámar y Leyte (1914)

https://archive.org/details/aqh5491.0002.001.umich.edu

https://archive.org/details/aqh5491.0001.001.umich.edu

Diccionario bisaya-español [microform] (1885)

https://archive.org/details/aqp5055.0001.001.umich.edu

Cursos de lengua panayana [microform] (1876)

https://archive.org/details/aqa2027.0001.001.umich.edu

Método del Dr. Ollendorff para aprender á leer, hablar y escribir un idioma cualquiera adaptado al bisaya (1871)

https://archive.org/details/afu8648.0001.001.umich.edu

Differences between Tagalog and Bisayan (January 1, 1904)

https://archive.org/details/jstor-592556

The Bisayan Dialects (January 1, 1905)

https://archive.org/details/jstor-592885

Narrative of the voyage of H.M.S. Samarang, during the years 1843-46 : employed surveying the islands of the Eastern archipelago; accompanied by a brief vocabulary of the principal languages (1848)

https://archive.org/details/narrativevoyage00adamgoog

https://archive.org/details/narrativevoyage01adamgoog

[[Cebuano language]]

Ang Dila Natong Bisaya

http://archive.org/details/AngDilaNatongBisaya

[[User:Rajmaan|Rajmaan]] ([[User talk:Rajmaan|talk]]) 14:15, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

== Requested move 30 June 2015 ==
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The result of the proposal was '''not moved as withdrawn'''. Initial consensus seems to be too many disparate topics bundled in one nomination.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 23:50, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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* [[:Visayan languages]] → {{no redirect|Visayan}}
* [[:Aklanon language]] → {{no redirect|Aklanon}}
* [[:Bikol languages]] → {{no redirect|Bikol}}
* [[:Cebuano language]] → {{no redirect|Cebuano}}
* [[:Chavacano language]] → {{no redirect|Chavacano}}
* [[:Hiligaynon language]] → {{no redirect|Hiligaynon}}
* [[:Ibanag language]] → {{no redirect|Ibanag}}
* [[:Ilocano language]] → {{no redirect|Ilocano}}
* [[:Ivatan language]] → {{no redirect|Ivatan}}
* [[:Kapampangan language]] → {{no redirect|Kapampangan}}
* [[:Kinaray-a language]] → {{no redirect|Kinaray-a}}
* [[:Maguindanao language]] → {{no redirect|Maguindanaoan}}
* [[:Sambal language]] → {{no redirect|Sambal}}
* [[:Surigaonon language]] → {{no redirect|Surigaonon}}
* [[:Tausūg language]] → {{no redirect|Tausūg}}
* [[:Waray-Waray language]] → {{no redirect|Waray-Waray}}
* [[:Yakan language]] → {{no redirect|Yakan}}
* [[:Cebuano people]] → {{no redirect|Cebuanos}}
* [[:Ilocano people]] → {{no redirect|Ilocanos}}
* [[:Kapampangan people]] → {{no redirect|Kapampangans}}
* [[:Karay-a people]] → {{no redirect|Karay-a}}
* [[:Pangasinense people]] → {{no redirect|Pangasinense}}
* [[:Sambal people]] → {{no redirect|Sambals}}
* [[:Yakan people]] → {{no redirect|Yakans}}
– Same rationale as [[Tagalog]], [[Tagalogs]], & [[Filipinos]]. [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], [[WP:CONCISE]] [[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]] ([[User talk:Shhhhwwww!!|talk]]) 03:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

*'''Strong ''procedural'' Oppose''' All primary topic discussions should be handled separately. They do not relate to other discussions that are not concerning PT. I don't think you've given due diligence to all your selected targets. And claims of primary topic for ''[[Filipino]]'' and ''[[Maguindanao]]'' being just the languages are highly suspect without evidence. Further, the proposal for ''Maguindanao'' is procedurally invalid since you'd need to delete the target article; While you haven't indicated if you wanted a massive hatnote for Filipino or not.  -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 04:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' even after the request modification, there are still many primary topic disputes listed, and they should be treated separately, since each is independent of each other; so this is still procedurally very bad. (a PT dispute is if the target redirects elsewhere, or is a dab page, or is a different article, and you want to overwrite it) -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.203.69|70.51.203.69]] ([[User talk:70.51.203.69|talk]]) 05:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
*'''Suggest''' withdrawal of request or speedy close as per the above.  [[User:GregKaye|Greg]][[User talk:GregKaye|Kaye]] 06:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''-I've altered the request per the comments above. There was too many articles ot was hard to catch all the errors but thanks anyway. [[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]] ([[User talk:Shhhhwwww!!|talk]]) 09:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Now how was [[Tagalog people]] moved to [[Tagalogs]] in the first place? "Tagalogs" doesn't just sound awkward, it's rarely used even in Philippine English. Tagalog, like [[English]], [[Scottish]], [[Irish]] or [[Welsh]], is an ADJECTIVE, and the way to refer to the people speaking the language is by just saying Tagalog or Tagalog people. The same for those other languages. I would suggest reverting to avoid confusing the readers with Tagalog and Tagalogs, Visayan, Visayas and Visayans, etc. The old X people and X language format actually helps to properly distinguish the two which as adjectives are really ambiguous. --[[User:RioHondo|RioHondo]] ([[User talk:RioHondo|talk]]) 10:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose and Request Speedy Close'''. All of these requests should be discussed separately, most seem controversial. [[User:Khestwol|Khestwol]] ([[User talk:Khestwol|talk]]) 15:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' in agreeance with User:Khestwol most of these should not be moved or renamed at all. [[User:Abrahamic Faiths|Abrahamic Faiths]] ([[User talk:Abrahamic Faiths|talk]]) 00:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
::*'''Speedy close'''. After much thought, I have decided to withdraw this. [[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]] ([[User talk:Shhhhwwww!!|talk]]) 02:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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[[:Visayan languages]] → {{no redirect|Bisayan languages}} – Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. The overwhelming majority of sources employs "Bisayan languages" for the linguistic subgroup, e.g. Zorc (1977)<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{Cite book |title=The Bisayan Dialects of the Philippines: Subgrouping and Reconstruction |last=Zorc |first=David Paul |date=1977 |publisher=Australian National University |location=Canberra |doi=10.15144/PL-C44}}</ref>, Wollf (2001),<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{Cite book |last=Wolff |first=John U. |year=2001 |chapter=Cebuano |editor-last=Garry |editor-first=Jane  |location=New York |editor-last2=Galvez Rubino |editor-first2=Carl R. |title=Facts About the World's Languages: An Encyclopedia of the World's Major Languages, Past and Present |publisher=H. W. Wilson}}</ref> Brown & Ogilvie (2009)<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{cite book |last1=Brown |first1=Keith |last2=Ogilvie |first2=Sarah |year=2009 |title=Concise Encyclopedia of Languages of the World |location=Oxford |publisher=Elsevier |isbn=978-0-08-087774-7}}</ref>, Blust (2013)<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{cite book |last=Blust |first=Robert |title=The Austronesian Languages |edition=revised|publisher=Australian National University|year=2013|isbn=978-1-922185-07-5|hdl=1885/10191}}</ref>, Reid (2013)<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{cite journal |last=Reid |first=Lawrence A. |year=2013 |title=Who Are the Philippine Negritos? Evidence from Language |journal=Human Biology |volume=85 |issue=1 |url=http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol/vol85/iss1/15}}</ref>. [https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/bisa1268 ''Glottolog''] and [https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/bisayan ''Ethnologue''] also employ "Bisayan". 

Note that "Visayan" is the commonly used adjective derived from "[[Visayas]]"; "Visayan languages" in its primary sense means "languages of or related to the geographical area of the Visayas". "Bisayan languages" on the other hand is a linguistic grouping that largely overlaps with the latter, but also comprises languages of non-Visayan ethnolinguistic groups (e.g. Tausug, Cuyonon). [[WP:COMMONNAME]] therefore has to be considered specifically in a linguistic context. 
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– [[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 09:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC) <small>—'''''Relisted.'''''&nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.&nbsp;I.&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]''''',&nbsp;[[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]] 17:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' This is merely a cosmetic change. The languages are associated with the islands and there is no geographic grouping that uses the "b". [[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]] ([[User talk:Shhhhwwww!!|talk]]) 02:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment+Addenda'''. {{re|Shhhhwwww!!}} Thank you for bringing this up. It is correct that the common geographic and ethnic term is "Visayan". But again, this is specifically about the linguistic subgroup, and not about the "Languages of the Visayas". The authors cited above ''do'' write "Visayan" when referring to geography and ethnic groups, and the term "Bisayan" was <u>deliberately</u> chosen, since not all languages in the Visayas are "Bisayan languages":
{{quote|text="There are also islands near or within the '''Visayan''' region that have speakers of non-'''Bisayan''' languages: Cagayan has Kagayanen, and Camiguin has Kinamigin , both are Manobo languages (Elkins 1974); Capul has Abaknon, a Samalan language; and Agutaya has Agutaynen, a Kalamian language. All of these languages have borrowed from their Visayan neighbours." – Zorc (1977, p.8, empahsis added)}}
:In order to maintain the current page name "Visayan languages", you need to present a reliable source (ideally a specialist, i.e. linguistic source; but also any reliable tertiary non-specialist source) which spells the ''linguistic subgroup'' with a "V". I want to add another source from a notable scholar, viz. Cecilio Lopez (the "Father of Philippine lingustics"). In Lopez (1967), he also refers to the subgroup as "Bisayan languages".<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{cite journal |last=Lopez |first=Cecilio |year=1967 |title=Origins of the Philippine Languages |journal=Philippine Studies |volume=15 |issue=1|pages=130–166 |jstor=42720176}}</ref>
:As for the "cosmetic change": the actual change was made in WP when the page was created as "Visayan languages", contrary to the spelling convention employed in the sources. But it is not in the hands of WP editors to "correct" the sources, especially when these are from the leading experts in the field of Philippine linguistics (Lopez, Zorc, Reid) or Austronsesian linguistics in general (Wolff, [[Robert Blust|Blust]]).
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:–[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 10:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
::'''Comment''' It is still not the common name since there are other sources that specifically says "Visayan languages".<ref>'''Visayan languages'''—{{cite book |last=Adelaar |first=Alexander |year=2005 |chapter=The Austronesian languages of Asia and Madagascar: a historical perspective |editor-last1=Adelaar |editor-first1=Alexander |editor-last2=Himmelamnn |editor-first2=Nikolaus |title=The Austronesian languages of Asia and Madagascar |pages=1–42 |location=London |publisher=Routledge |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BAShwSYLbUYC&pg=PA16&dq=visayan+languages&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilyYvbstTlAhXdAGMBHRdCDtgQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=visayan%20languages&f=false }}, page 16.</ref><ref>'''Visayan languages'''—''[https://books.google.com/books?id=3IQTAAAAIAAJ&q=visayan+languages&dq=visayan+languages&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVzLS2s9TlAhXuBWMBHX-JA0k4FBDoATACegQIAhAC Journal of Oriental Studies]'', Hong Kong University Press, 1954. Page 182.</ref><ref>'''Visayan languages'''—{{cite journal |last=Lipski |first=John M. |year=1992 |title=New thoughts on the origins of Zamboangueño (Philippine Creole Spanish) |journal=Language Sciences |volume=14 |issue=3 |pages=197–231 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=eQZPAQAAIAAJ&q=visayan+languages&dq=visayan+languages&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSltTCtdTlAhWRqHEKHVqUB4E4FBDoATABegQIAxAC}}, page 203</ref>
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::[[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]] ([[User talk:Shhhhwwww!!|talk]]) 01:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment+Addenda''' {{re|Shhhhwwww!!}} I have taken the liberty to expand two of your citations (couldn't specify the article in "Journal of Oriental Studies" in a quick search). Adelaar and Lipski are notable researchers, so you have dug up reliable sources for the "V"-spelling. For the convenience of other editors who might still come and join the discussion, I have tagged each citation with "Visayan languages" and "Bisayan languages" for easier tracking.
: Note that "common" does not mean "exclusive", but implies that usage of the common name strongly outweighs the use of other extant names, which I believe is the case with "Bisayan languages". In the same volume by Adelaar & Himmelmann (2005), there is a chapter by Hein Steinhauer, "Colonial history and language policy in Insular Southeast Asia and Madagascar". There, Steinhauer writes "Bisayan" when referring to the "Bisayan languages", but also – I admit, against common usage – when referring to ethnic Visayans.
: I can add three very influential tertiary sources: The ''Encyclopædia Britannica'' uses both spellings in an inconsistent manner<ref>'''[B/V]isayan languages'''—''Encyclopædia Britannica'', search for "Visayan languages" or "Bisayan languages". A direct link to the query is blocked by WP.</ref>, while [[Merritt Ruhlen]]'s ''A Guide to the World’s Languages, Volume I: Classification'' lists "Bisayan languages" as a branch of the Austronesian languages (see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages/Language names in Ruhlen (1987)#Extra-Oceanic|here]] at {{u|Kwamikagami|kwami's}} excerpt of Ruhlen 1987).<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—{{cite book |first=Merritt |last=Ruhlen |year=1987 |title=A Guide to the World's Languages, Vol. 1: Classification |location=Stanford, CA |publisher=Stanford Univ. Press}}</ref> Finally, the US ''Library of Congress'' uses "Bisayan languages" as a categorizer.<ref>'''Bisayan languages'''—[http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects/sh85014404.html ''The Library of Congress'', Linked Data Service, LC Subject Headings].</ref>
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:–[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 10:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per the detailed and well-argued nomination. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 01:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' ''per'' the detailed and well-argued opposition of [[User:Shhhhwwww!!|Shhhhwwww!!]]. [[User:BushelCandle|BushelCandle]] ([[User talk:BushelCandle|talk]]) 10:17, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
**As far as I'm able to make out from Shhhhwwww!!'s three brief sentences above, their argument is that the geographic grouping doesn't use the form with "B". But that's precisely the point of the nominator: the article is not about some geographic grouping, it's about the language group (defined genealogically). If the majority of sources use "B" for the language group, then so should our article. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 12:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
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==badlit==
The article calls badlit as "distinct from the Tagalog baybayin", but this is an opinion not backed by scientific evidence and is more likely political in nature. The consensus by researchers is that the various scripts such as Pampanga "kulitan", Bisaya "kabadlit", Ilocano "kurditan", Bicol "basahan", and Tagalog "baybayin" are all local names for the same script. The surviving samples for each are too few to establish any of them as a distinct writing systems and the variations between them can be attributed to differences in handwriting  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/120.29.112.174|120.29.112.174]] ([[User talk:120.29.112.174#top|talk]]) 14:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->