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== Hel? ==

I'm just trying to dab [[Hel (goddess)|Hel]], but where it says Hel in this article, it is refering to a place and not a goddess. Hel is the goddess of the underworlds, Helheim and Niflheim, in Norse mythology, so could the person who wrote the intro be refering to the underworlds ruled by Hel? [[User:BlankVerse|BlankVerse]] 15:17, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== ''Baldrs draumar'' is the proper form ==

This poem is usually called "Baldrs draumar", also in English discussion. I find 845 Google hits for that version and only 12 for "Dreams of Balder". I will ask [[User:Wiglaf|Wiglaf]] to move the page back. - [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 08:53, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

:See the extended discussion at [[Balder]]. List this at [[WP:RM|requested moves]] if you like, but I strongly feel this should be at an English name. [[User:CDThieme|CDThieme]] 20:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

::I participated in the discussion at [[Baldr]] and am familiar with all the arguments presented there. "Baldrs draumar" is by far the most common way to refer to this poem in English. Check almost any source. Even Google. - [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 21:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Most sources give the original and then the English. See this example: [http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Edda.html]. The policy on the English wikipedia is to use the most common '''English''' name in the title. We do this as a courtesy to our readers, most of whom are much more familiar with English than Old Norse or Icelandic. [[User:CDThieme|CDThieme]] 22:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Reverting to original name. Dear CDThieme if your really feel strongly about this move, file a [[WP:RM|requested moves]]. The outcome will not be questioned.--[[User:Wiglaf|Wiglaf]] 21:33, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

:When I moved the page to an English title I followed the instructions and fixed the redirects so they worked. When you reverted me, you didn't fix the redirects, and now none of them work. [[User:CDThieme|CDThieme]] 22:06, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

==Assessment comment==
{{Substituted comment|length=227|lastedit=20080923015535|comment=A decent start, although I would like to see some in-text citations, as opposed to a list only at the end of the article. [[User:ErikTheBikeMan|ErikTheBikeMan]] ([[User talk:ErikTheBikeMan|talk]]) 01:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)}}
Substituted at 08:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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== Translation of the poem ==

Hi {{ping|Bloodofox}} thanks for your edits on this. I see you removed the translation of the poem on the grounds that it's original research. But [[Wikipedia:No_original_research#Translations_and_transcriptions]] says 'faithfully translating sourced material into English, or transcribing spoken words from audio or video sources, is not considered original research'. The meaning of the text is pretty uncontroversial too, unlike some of the more problematic Eddaic poems, so I don't think there's a problem with the translation's fidelity. So I don't think the translation needs to be removed on OR grounds.

That said, I did fail for some reason to get the formatting to work when I added it, so the line-breaks of the Old Norse text didn't show. You might also think that including the full translation was cumbersome for other reasons too -- I basically just added it because I'd done it for a class I was teaching and thought I might as well make it available. So I'd suggest we reinstate it, but won't be offended if you think it should go. [[User:Alarichall|Alarichall]] ([[User talk:Alarichall|talk]]) 22:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

:Hello, Alaric! I wasn't sure where this translation came from, exactly, so I just removed it. If I had known it was you, I would have reached out to you about it—sorry about that. Do you think you could put your translation on, say, a website or something and then release it into the public domain? Then we could add an attribution, which would help keep others from coming by (such as myself) and saying 'hey, an unattributed translation!' and deleting it. I can help with the formatting. [[User:Bloodofox|&#58;bloodofox:]] ([[User talk:Bloodofox|talk]]) 23:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

::Whew, I FINALLY got round to sorting this. In the event, I moved the translation over to Wikisource. Seemed like a decent solution. 
{{Wikisource|Translation:Baldrs draumar}} [[User:Alarichall|Alarichall]] ([[User talk:Alarichall|talk]]) 21:23, 25 January 2019 (UTC)