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==Glorification==
Recent edits are glorifying this personality, with utterly ridiculous non encyclopedic claims such as "Bajirao was a very tall and strikingly handsome man of fair complexion" have been added to the lead which are nowhere to be found in the body. Glorifying statements such as "Bajirao is considered the most charismatic and dynamic leader in Maratha history, next only to Shivaji" ,"Remembered among Marathas as the incarnation of Hindu energy" are not found in the body either.  Consider working on the body first before stuffing lead with such contentious material. [[User:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;background:#000;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:bold;">Koshuri</span>]] [[User Talk:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#000;font-weight:bold;"><sup>(グ)</sup></span>]] 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:Nowhere in the body then what is this BasedKashmiri tell; [https://1drv.ms/i/c/7ae9b53982928574/EWF96SkgqhRAmOyIENaSBzMBe3GIMg86H0a82URUDbsBUQ?e=NL77NY Tall height.png]  and [https://1drv.ms/i/c/7ae9b53982928574/EX3Ck2oblxdKpFx3hhylD0cBeWqUjGfry0TTwHaPcOzCUA?e=FhRYXG Physical Appearance.png] , Should I teach you how to navigate or what?  [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 15:50, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:Read the quotations attached for charismatic and dynamic one in the sources attached. Besides for Remembered among Marathas as the incarnation of Hindu energy" are not found in the body part see it BasedwithouteyesKashmiri: {{Tq|He died, as he had. lived, in camp under canvas among his men; and he is remembered to this day among Mahrattas as the fighting Peshwa,<B> as the incarnation of Hindu energy.</B> His death, like that of his father, was premature, no doubt owing to ceaseless exposure undei it vicissitudes of a tropical climate.<br>His eldest son, Balaji Baji Rao, obtained the succession as third Peshwa in 1740. To prevent confusion, I shall abbreviate his name to Balaji.}} This is taken from Sivaji and rise of the Mahrattas available on archive. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 15:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::You are not focusing. You are literally citing snippets from the sources that support the content, not the part where it is covered in the body (it isn't). You should where exactly is the content you have added to the lead is in the body. [[User:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;background:#000;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:bold;">Koshuri</span>]] [[User Talk:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#000;font-weight:bold;"><sup>(グ)</sup></span>]] 16:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::What are you saying the snippet is from body part only. I posted it in order to save time else I had to write it what's the problem in it? [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:03, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::You are not understanding me, where exactly is this content in the body of this revision [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bajirao_I&oldid=1286074162] ? You have only made edits to the lead. Consider reading [[WP:BODY]] & [[WP:LEAD]] too. [[User:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;background:#000;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:bold;">Koshuri</span>]] [[User Talk:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#000;font-weight:bold;"><sup>(グ)</sup></span>]] 16:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::1.)Sentence added by me in last para: Bajirao was a very tall and strikingly handsome man of fair complexion. Here are quotations snippets already provided above: {{Tq|Bajirao grew up into a <B>very tall</B>, broad shouldered man and his father had hoped, strong as tiger.}} and {{Tq|Bajirao was a <B>strikingly handsome man</B>}} 
:::::2.) For this sentence: This victory made Marathas the greatest power in Deccan region and reduced Nizam to a tributary status under them. I already provided source above; supreme power in Deccan is mentioned on pg 20.I can't use same phrasing so used greatest power in place of supreme power.
:::::3.) For incarnation of Hindu energy part it's in 4th para I wrote: Remember among the Marathas as an incarnation of Hindu energy, second part he is credited is in J.L. mehta have already attached the source and quotation go to the revision difference and see it. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Consider familiarising  yourself with the meaning of [[WP:BODY]] first. [[User:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;background:#000;font-family:Georgia;font-weight:bold;">Koshuri</span>]] [[User Talk:Koshuri Sultan|<span style="color:#000;font-weight:bold;"><sup>(グ)</sup></span>]] 16:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I am familiar with it and tell me how it affects the version which I wrote You in your first comment told you didn't find the text how you can see it now? Answer me that too or I assume you did a blind revert without even going through each line I added. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:33, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Tell me if you have any other problem with info added else I am assuming you are fine with what I added. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:45, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The snippet part is from body only see the chapter Bajirao Emerges  (on the front cover part chapter list is found) here is the book link: [https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Baji_Rao_The_Warrior_Peshwa/5KohEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Peshwa&printsec=frontcover Baji Rao: The Warrior Peshwa - Google Books]  [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::For supremacy part see Peshwa Bajirao I And Maratha Expansion by V.G. Dighe on Internet Archive; page 20 quoting: {{Tq| The Nizam's attempt to challenge <B>Maratha supremacy in the Deccan</B> was defeated in a decisive manner.}} [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:Let me add for charismatic part too as I doubt you know how to navigate a link: Dighe V.G. [[iarchive:in.ernet.dli.2015.57399/page/n13/mode/2up|Peshwa Bajirao I And Maratha Expansion]] pg (ix) quoting: {{Tq|Bajirao is looked upon as the <B>greatest personality after Shivaji in Maratha history</B> and the story of his career has an abiding interest. Plis achievements may be summed up as the establishment of Maratha supremacy in the Deccan and of political hegemony in the north.}} Let me provide you with an alternative source too: [[iarchive:the-marathas-1600-1818-cambridge-history-of-india-vol.-2-part-4/page/114/mode/2up|The Marathas - Cambridge History of India (Vol. 2, Part 4)]] pg 114 quoting:{{Tq|Balaji Vishwanath died in 1720. Against the objections of other ministers, Shahu appointed Balaji’s son, Bajirao. <B>Here we meet, after Shivaji, the most charismatic and dynamic leader in Maratha history.</B> He was only twenty years old and already had a reputation for rapid decisions and a passion for military adventure. Bajirao had been on the expedition to Delhi in 1719, and was convinced that the Mughal Empire was breaking up and could not resist a Maratha drive to the north into Malwa and beyond. This was the major theme of the next twenty years of his ceaseless military and administrative activity.}} [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 16:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@[[User:Koshuri Sultan|Koshuri Sultan]] Apologies for being rude that day. 
:::::::1.) As per your concern of WP:BODY I have expanded the body section of the article. I have provided details of each and every part of what I previously added with sources (WP:RS) supporting them.
:::::::2.) After that I have added to the lead the previous info excluding the two-three points which you had concern with. I am waiting for further discussion here before adding those specific points. For charismatic one I have added the names of respective historians and just summarized it in a single line.
:::::::3.) I have also added new sections like "Response to Nader Shah's invasion" in body and mentioned the details there supported by multiple sources.
:::::::4.) I have worked on the info box battles/wars and added dates besides grouping them.
:::::::5.) I expanded the Legacy section along with Personal Life though specifically added more info in Military Campaigns and Wars sub-section of body.
:::::::6.) Also, taken care of WP:NPOV and avoided glorification terms.
:::::::•So, taking care of all yours concerns, I am making the edit. There might be problems in it but it's better to highlight them individually rather than reverting whole edit as I have significantly expanded the body section too (with reliable sources ofc). In case of a complete revert all info gets removed like last time so kindly take care of it. The current version has been checked by me for grammar, links and layout for which I did many minor edits.
:::::::Regards. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 19:05, 24 April 2025 (UTC)