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==Updates==
Replaced speculative elements of the previous revisions with factoids whose sources aren't so hard to cite.  Things that could be added:
* Upload AX logo
* Upload a photo or two from AX
* Comprehensive list of AX guests of honor
* Attendance figure for each year's convention
--[[User:67.161.73.117|67.161.73.117]] 12:46, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== AX Logo ==

The Anime Expo Logo, and the Society of the Promotion of Japanese Animation Logo are copyrighted by their respective users.  Without explicit consent, those logos may not be uploaded to the Wikipedia. --[[User:AllyUnion|AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 1 July 2005 10:53 (UTC)

: That would be trademarked, not copyrighted. Although look at other articles on corporations, trademarked corporate logos are shamelessly uploaded all the time.--[[User:67.180.209.147|67.180.209.147]] 9 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)
::Why could they not be copyrighted as well as trademarked? -- [[User:Seitz|Seitz]] 09:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I suppose you can copyright a logo, but a trademark offers stronger protection, so it's a moot point to do so. Would you like a crash course in intellectual property rights?--[[User:208.54.15.129|208.54.15.129]] 23:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Sure, I'm always happy to learn something new.  I was thinking of comic book and cartoon characters, which are commonly copyrighted and trademarked.  My understanding is that copyright and trademark each offer protections that the other does not.  For example, I don't think a trademark would prevent the logo from being uploaded to Wikipedia, since the logo is not being used to imply that Wikipedia is a product or service of Anime Expo.  However, a copyright might prevent Wikipedia from using the logo, unless it qualified under "fair use". -- [[User:Seitz|Seitz]] 05:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, now that I think about it, the logo is already copyrighted.  Works are now [http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc automatically copyrighted by default].  They may not have registered the copyright, but it is still protected under copyright law. -- [[User:Seitz|Seitz]] 04:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Copyrights apply to a specific instance of creation. So going by comic book character examples, you can't copyright a character. A story with a character in it, or even just an illustration with the character, can be copyrighted, but that does not apply to the concept of a character. Similaraly, you can't use copyright to protect all instances of a logo. That's where you have trademarks that protect the design and concept. Also, copyright and trademarks work differently. Yes, all works are implicitly protected by copyright. For a trademark, you need to put on the (tm) symbol next to your logo. However, that is a weak form of protection and is on weaker ground for defence in court. The better form of trademark is the registered trademarkt, which needs to be filed with the US Patent Office. Then, you can legally put on the (R) symbol. Now, while copyright is almost universal, trademarks need to be registered individually country by country. That means a logo that's printed with (R) in one country may not be legal to be printed that way in another country.--[[User:208.54.15.129|208.54.15.129]] 01:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe that AX has a Service Mark on the logo.  This may have been upgraded to a TM, but I'm not aware of it.  [[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 23:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== AnimeCon 91 ==

The history section starts with Anime Expo 92 and makes no mention of Anime Con 91.  I've been out of touch with California anime fandom for ages; are people still trying to forget that?  [[User:Wyvern|Wyvern]] 03:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

* AnimeCon '91 is not Anime Expo and was not run by the SPJA.  It was a separate event that just happened to share a lot of the same staff.  --[[User:PDelahanty|PatrickD]] 16:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

** The political history of AX dictates that AnimeCon 91 and AX be considered separate. But there wasn't anything forgettable about AnimeCon, and it wasn't bad blood either. There wouldn't be AX without AnimeCon, so it has a place in AX history as a footnote. Short of spinning the yarn about a subjective memoir, that might as well be all to say about it.--[[User:208.54.15.129|208.54.15.129]] 23:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I added a mention of AnimeCon to the History section a few months ago:  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anime_Expo&diff=53274225&oldid=49839605 -- [[User:Seitz|Seitz]] 05:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

In terms of Anime Expo's political history, you could also footnote the splinters of [[Anime America]] and [[Pacific Media Expo]].--[[User:208.54.95.1|208.54.95.1]] 16:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

==Side note: Userbox==
I just made a userbox for AX for anyone who is a fan of the con: {{User:UBX/AX}} <br clear="all"/> <span style="background:white;">[[User:Juhachi|'''<span style="color:#0066cc;">十</span>''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''<span style="color:#ff66cc;">八</span>''']]</span> 05:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== Editorialized History, Error in Organizational Structure ==

As full disclosure, I have been involved with AnimeExpo and the SPJA since 1992.  In any case, I am changing the HISTORY portion, since being the largest does not automatically mean "premeire" and this may be interpreted as editorialized content.  It would be best for all if this page were more neutral and not inject value terms like "premeire."  Also there is an error in the Organizational Structure.  Chair position was compensated in 2005 and 2006.  In 2005 Chair and two vice-charis were compensated.  Not all officers in the SPJA are compensated, its more accurate to mention that the CEO and the CFO are compensated.  Also it should be noted that most compensation is not a "full time" salary.  The CEO and CFO in theory can live off of the salary, but it is not a wage that can in any way be called market-competitive given the titles or responsibilities.  Should this be moved to a separate SPJA page?  I will make a few changes here in any case, if someone moves it to an SPJA page that is fine with me.[[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 23:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

: Please start the SPJA article.--[[User:Outis|Outis]] 23:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I violated my own rule here, "far below" is editorializing on the salary.  Will remove the word "far."  [[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 16:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

== Attendance ==

Can you really attribute 40% growth purely to a change in management?  I think this is not very responsible.  I will edit it.  If someone disagrees with me they can change it back, but even with the political reorganization that occured in the 2003-2004 period, I think this might be a bit disingenuous. [[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 23:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, using the official numbers from the AX website (I had to calculate this once myself, but the figures sound about right) there was an average annual growth of 25% prior to 2004.  In addition, since 2004, the average growth was 32% then 21% in 2006, suggesting that attribution of this jump in attendance to a change in management is not good public discourse.  I will make corrections on the page, but I justify it here, but do the math yourself:

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
!#
!percentage growth year to year
!average growth to current year
|-
|1,750		
|N/A
|N/A
|-
|1,693
| -3.257142857
| -3.257142857
|-
|2,057
|21.50029533
|9.121576238
|-
|2,138
|3.937773456
|7.393641978
|-
|2,918
|36.48269411
|14.66590501
|-
|3,826
|31.11720356
|17.95616472
|-
|4,883
|27.62676424
|19.56793131
|-
|6,400
|31.06696703
|21.2106507
|-
|9,700
|51.5625
|25.00463186
|-
|13,000
|34.02061856
|26.00640816
|-
|15,000
|15.38461538
|24.94422888
|-
|17,000
|13.33333333
|23.88869292
|-
|25,000
|47.05882353
|25.81953714
|-
|33,000
|32
|26.29495736
|-
|40,000
|21.21212121
|25.93189764
|-
|}
[[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 00:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Edited Table [[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 01:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Fixed error on Table [[User:Daroldhiga|Daroldhiga]] 01:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to mention two things regarding attendance: 1) The more important value -- regular attendee growth -- is around 15%. As far as I know, this has remained constant longer than the up and down growth of all attendees (which includes exhibitors, industry, press, staff, etc.). The 2007 value will seem like no growth but the regular attendee level still went up 15%. (There were far less exhibitors.) 2) Since I oversaw Registration for two years (2006 and 2007), I have the data but I'm not sure if I should be posting data because that seems like self-referencing/self-publishing which is awkward. Even more awkward for me is having to wait until the AX site is updated in order to reference it.[[User:DrSlump|DrSlump]] ([[User talk:DrSlump|talk]]) 17:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

There are no sources for the attendance numbers of 2023!  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.31.86.235|94.31.86.235]] ([[User talk:94.31.86.235#top|talk]]) 22:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Potential references ==

* {{cite journal | last = Lillard | first = Kevin | year = 2006 | month = September | title = Con Report: Anime Expo | journal = [[Newtype USA]] | volume = 5 | issue = 9 | pages = 99–101 }}

== Mike Tatsugawa and Anime Con ==

I'm interested to know why [[Mike Tatsugawa]] was written out of the history section. He certainly played an important enough role in the convention's creation and history. A page detailing his numerous endeavors has been created. I can understand how the PMX split is also a sore issue, but there's no debating it happened. Maybe if it can be written in a NPOV manner it can all be put back in. For the purposes of his own article, I simply said there was a "management dispute" and left it at that.

Also, [[Anime Con]] is certainly relevant, but probably not embedded in this article. I created one specifically for it and did a minor edit to this article to hyper link to it.

[[User:Kensuke Aida|Kensuke Aida]] 12:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== Man-Faye?! ==

Ugh. Does Man-Faye really need the additional exposure in this article? I have nothing personal against the guy, but it doesn't exactly seem NPOV to claim: "but one that has stood out was Man-Faye" in the sentence about cosplay at AX. I mean, honestly now. That's a matter of personal opinion and can distort people's views as to the type of cosplay that is more common at AX.

I'm trying to be fair and neutral about this. He has his own article on Wikipedia about him and his dispute with the SPJA, which is all good and fine. A link to that would be preferable if it needs to be included. [[User:Kensuke Aida|Kensuke Aida]] 07:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

==Requested move==
<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:polltop -->
:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the proposal was '''no consensus''' to move the page, per the discussion below. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]][[User talk:Dekimasu|<span style="color:darkgreen; font-size:smaller;">よ!</span>]] 05:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
<hr/>
[[Anime Expo]] → [[Anime Expo (event)]] — I've seen some people throw around the term "anime expo" to describe any of these "conventions". I request that this be moved to "Anime Expo (event)" and this redirect to [[anime convention]] with one of those "Anime Expo redirects here. For the anime convention named Anime Expo, see [[Anime Expo (event)]]. I could have done this, but I just am wishing to see some consensus before we do this. Note, just like AFD discussions, I am not using this as a poll. I am using this for consensus. —[[User:ViperSnake151|ViperSnake151]] 00:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC) {{#if:|<br><small>Discussion area setup by {{{completer}}}. Unless otherwise noted below, {{{completer}}} has no position one way or the other on this discussion.</small>}}

===Survey===
:''Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with'' <code><nowiki>*'''Support'''</nowiki></code> ''or'' <code><nowiki>*'''Oppose'''</nowiki></code>'', then sign your comment with'' <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>''. Since [[Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion|polling is not a substitute for discussion]], please explain your reasons, taking into account [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions|Wikipedia's naming conventions]].''

*'''Oppose''' Every time I've seen the term "Anime Expo" used—note the caps, it is always in reference to the convention. I have not seen the term used in a different manner. And even if it was by a small minority, an appropriate [[WP:HAT|hatnote]] would take care of the confusion. But moving this article to [[Anime Expo (event)]] will just add more confusion. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 01:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', the term Anime Expo is not generally used in place of anime convention. I agree with Farix that a hat note would be more appropriate, as Anime Expo, with caps, is the most common usage of the term. [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 02:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I've never seen it used except to refer to the convention by that name. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 08:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Anime Expo is an event by default.  I do not see any other referebce for "Anime Expo". [[User:KyuuA4|KyuuA4]] ([[User talk:KyuuA4|talk]]) 17:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

===Discussion===
:''Any additional comments:''

I'll be adding a hatnote. [[User:ViperSnake151|ViperSnake151]] 02:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:I've removed it because you have not demonstrated that it is really necessary. You need to first ''demonstrate'' that the term is being used differently other then referring to Anime Expo. Can you provide examples showing the term "anime expo" used in place of "anime con" or "anime convention"? --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 17:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

::A hatnote would seem to be fine either way. Hatnotes aren't very intrusive, are they? [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]][[User talk:Dekimasu|<span style="color:darkgreen; font-size:smaller;">よ!</span>]] 04:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.''</div><!-- Template:pollbottom -->

== Cosplayer image ==

I have removed the image of the cosplayer because it is an extremely poor image. It is very blurry and show very little detail. It looks like it was taken on a cellphone. We shouldn't be adding images just to be decorative, but that is exactly what this image is doing for the article, and even fails at that. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 01:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
: I removed it too. [[User:Kopf1988|Kopf1988]] ([[User talk:Kopf1988|talk]]) 04:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:: And {{user|Ucla90024}} has restored it once again without engaging in a discussion or explaining why the image in necessary or what the image is suppose to be illustrating. All right, I've requested for additional input from [[WP:ANIME]]. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 15:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Image placement ==

Having the image on the left creates more far more white space between the infobox and the first section. It also disrupts the reading flow of the text since the eye naturally wants to follow a line down the left side, but the image indents the text and disrupts that line. By placing the image on the right, it fills in much of the white space and doesn't disrupts the flow of the text. That is why you never see profectional article place "interruptions" on the left or only in the first couple of lines. {{user|Ucla90024}} is claiming that it creates white space between the lead and the TOC, but it does not. There is no more or less white space between the lead and TOC whether the image is on the left or right. Given Ucla90024's previous history on this article over a different image (see above), I suspect that he is not editing in good faith. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 00:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

* That is not true.  There are lot of white space when photo on the right side. You are not doing editing in good faith. You are very stubborn. [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 19:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

::I clearly see more white space between the infobox and the first section when the photo is on the left, but there is no additional white space between the lead and the TOC when the photo is on the right. And given that you have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Anime_Expo&diff=next&oldid=234192367 removed the previous discussion] above in violation of [[WP:TALK]] gives a good indication that you are not editing this article in good faith. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 20:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

** My monitor show lot of white space as well. Don't know what The Farix is talking about. [[Special:Contributions/206.170.104.70|206.170.104.70]] ([[User talk:206.170.104.70|talk]]) 23:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
: What same size? [[Special:Contributions/206.170.104.63|206.170.104.63]] ([[User talk:206.170.104.63|talk]]) 23:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

==Cosplay Photo==
Cosplay is an important element of the conventions. Thousands participated. [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 02:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

: Good articles do have more pictures than we generally have on our anime convention articles, yes ([[furry convention]] even is a GA, but that's a more general scope). I agree with having a picture, but I'm not sure about the placement and I am against that picture. It's fuzzy. Plus there's a 'thing' in the bottom left corner. [http://www.aiowa.com/pictures/2906 Here]'s a better example, and I could ask if it could be licensed under CC-Share-alike-Att. Thoughts? [[User:Kopf1988|Kopf1988]] ([[User talk:Kopf1988|talk]]) 05:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

:What part of the article is this image suppose to illustrate? The image was located in the history section, which mentions nothing about cosplay. While it may be a free-use image, it should still serve a purpose in illustrating the content of the article instead of being exhibitionist. If more images are to be added to this article, it should be images of events or actives occurring at the convention. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 11:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The so called "better example" picture has photographers in front at lower left corner. The placement was done so as not interfere with the info box. Since so many people participated in cosplay (not ''"majority"'' of attendees, less than 1/2 of the 44,000 attendees participated), it is an important part of the expo. [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 15:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:The example Kopf1988 is better in that it illustrates an activity at the convention, i.e. people taking photographs of cosplayers. The cosplay image you are attempting to include doesn't add anything to the article. And please stop stalking me around or you will be reported to an administrator. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 15:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Not that picture is better; he can post it if he wants. Stop taking off other's picture and insert your own narrow minded views. This is for everybody, not just your own view. Apply some common sense and be bold and let others participate. Stop stalking me since every time I posted, you deleted. You will be reported to an administrator. [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 16:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

:I completely disagree and I've not been the only one who has in the past. The image doesn't illustrate anything in the article and is purely for decorative/exposition purposes. In fact, I see no grounds to add such images to the article at this point. The fact that people who attend the convention cosplay isn't something that is worth mentioning in the article. The convention's cosplay programing is worth mentioning, but the image doesn't illustrate that. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 17:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

:The image is not useful to the article at all. It is not specific to this conference only and adds nothing but decoration. Wikipedia is not here to be your personal image gallery. -- [[User:AnmaFinotera|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342FF'>AnmaFinotera</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 17:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

If based on your definition, half of photos in wikipedia are "decoration" and should be removed. As an example,what is the purpose of an old picture of a 2004 Anime Expo's exterior so useful? It just shows some people outside of some place, without any identification without any sign of AX. Have you been to this expo and know something about it? Don't know what your agenda is, just because the photo is not to your liking. Both of you have no journalism skill and are sick. [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 18:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

:Please keep the [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] to yourself. Please comment on the ''content'', not the editors. As for journalism skill, Wikipedia is not a news source and journalism skills are irrelevant here. If you want to practice journalism, I suggest going over to [[Wikinews]] or finding some other outlet. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'm going to add that Wikipedia articles are not intended to be image galleries - that's what Wikimedia Commons is here for. We include only the types and quantities of images that would be of encyclopedic value to an article. If an image is not to be used for this article, that's okay; it can remain on Commons. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 02:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== Discussion to avert Edit War ==

Recently there has been the beginnings of an [[WP:EW|edit war]] between two interested editors, both feeling that they are working in the best interest of the article.  The content is as follows:
{{quote|In [[2009]], various members of the SPJA requested a vote of no confidence against the Board of Directors and the new CEO due to "multiple internal issues". The letter is quoted saying "... could possibly have cost us the chance to put on AX2010 or an AX2010 that the attendees truly deserve" and calls into question the $8,400 spent in airline tickets by the new CEO in a visit to Japan, among other things. <ref>[http://www.animenews.biz/spja-members-requesting-vote-of-no-confidence-against-ceo-and-board-of-directors-2247/ SPJA Members Requesting Vote of No Confidence Against CEO and Board of Directors]</ref>}}

This was to be placed in its own section at the end of the article before the references.  In one removal, the summary read: {{quote|Reverted 1 edit by Zeno McDohl; Rv; not a controversy nor a reliable source. using TW}} and in the second removal the summary read:{{quote|Reverted 1 edit by Zeno McDohl; Not based on a reliable source and WP:UNDUE. (TW)}}

Now that being said, the placement of the content does not fall under [[WP:UNDUE]], IMHO.  However, it may fall under removal under [[WP:NOTNEWS]], unless it can be shown that significant coverage can be found regarding the event.  Furthermore, it is my opinion that the information most likely would belong in the previously deleted stub article [[Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation]], or in the section [[Anime Expo#Organizational structure]] as a subsection, as well as a move of other conventions hosted by the Non-profit organization into subsection of that section. --[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 01:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:There is no edit war, as Zeno McDohl is the only one who has supported the content at this point, and it is not just between two editors. Further, he already started a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Help desk‎#Reliable source?]] in which he claims that both Farix and I reverted his addition because we somehow have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] by falsely claiming we had both attended the convention at least once and that somehow made it a COI (for the record, neither of us has). He then claimed I had a COI because I made a post in 2005 to my personal blog giving my reactions to some the licensing announcements that year. As for the content itself, as noted in the other discussion, the source is clearly not a reliable source (a two man blog site), and is a clear [[WP:BLP]] violation without verification in an actual, high-quality reliable source as it is potentially defamatory towards the CEO. ZM's lack of editing history before this additional also makes his push for it and determination to discredit anyone who disagrees with it rather circumspect, IMHO.-- [[User:AnmaFinotera|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342FF'>AnmaFinotera</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 01:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::I see.  I created this section to avoid rounds of addition and reversion by the editor attempting to add the content.  The actions of said editor, are as you said, questionable.  Yet maintaining assumption of good faith, I was hoping that creating said discussion could lead to a consensus regarding inclusion or exclusion of the content, and give a chance for said editor to provide reliable source references regarding the supposed controversy to persuade us one way or another regarding possible inclusion. --[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 01:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:The claimed source is based on a letter of unknown origin reported by an obscure self-published website that is barely a year old. The letter has not been picked up by any other anime news sources, including AnimeNewsNetwork.com, AnimeCons.com, or Mania.com, in the month that the letter was supposedly released. Since there is no way to [[WP:V|verify]] the authenticity of the letter, it's contents shouldn't be included in the article ''pro forma''. But even if the letter is authentic, this type of "con drama", unless reported by a reliable source like the ones mentioned above, has no place on Wikipedia. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 01:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:AnmaFinotera has shown she has no intention of a civil discussion. The initial edit I made was reverted without an attempt at discussing it, and when I brought it up on the Helpdesk looking for a neutral party, a "discussion" broke out there when she replied to me. I only made 2 edits which were reverted, and I did not continue in order to prevent an edit war and instead went to the Helpdesk. I have provided the only source I know of right now and I have no intention to continue discussing this with the way I've been attacked. I'll post any more sources here if I find them. --[[User:Zeno McDohl|Zeno McDohl]] <sup>[[User_talk:Zeno_McDohl|(talk)]]</sup> 02:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

::Now '''you''' were the one that first attack AnmaFinotera and I with this statement, "I do not think 2 people who have a conflict of interest over this matter count."[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=328891020] When AnmaFinotera asked on what bases you were making your COI claim, you state, "You both have at the least attended the con,"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=328903867] even though you had absolutely no evidence to back up your claim and it was quickly refuted by both of us. Up until then, AnmaFinotera has been very civil towards you and didn't question your motives behind the edits. But your followup comments clearly showed that you [[WP:AGF|lacked good faith]] towards both AnmaFinotera and myself. This type of behavior indicates to us that you are simply attempting a POV push. As for starting a discussion, you need to read [[WP:BRD]] as it is incumbent on '''you''' to start a discussion about a reverted edit instead of either AnmaFinotera or I. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:::You consider that an attack? Hoo boy... Regardless, it doesn't warrant attacking right back with things like "You are some no name nobody represented by pixels on a screen". --[[User:Zeno McDohl|Zeno McDohl]] <sup>[[User_talk:Zeno_McDohl|(talk)]]</sup> 03:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Your comments were very much an ''ad hominem'' attack as you were deliberately trying to discredit both AnmaFinotera and I by claiming we had a conflict of interest '''based on no evidence whatsoever''' instead of explaining why Animenews.biz should be considered a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 03:24, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::"'''I do not think'''" means it is what I think, not what I'm trying to prove. I didn't provide evidence initially for the COI I think you two have because I'm not here to prove that. If I was, I would have included that in my rv edit note and asked about what to do in the case of a COI on the Helpdesk instead of asking about valid sources. --[[User:Zeno McDohl|Zeno McDohl]] <sup>[[User_talk:Zeno_McDohl|(talk)]]</sup> 03:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
* Those two love to disagree, don't they? [[Special:Contributions/206.170.111.187|206.170.111.187]] ([[User talk:206.170.111.187|talk]]) 21:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I have re-added this now that ANN confirms it. This should also confirm animenews.biz is a reliable source. --[[User:Zeno McDohl|Zeno McDohl]] <sup>[[User_talk:Zeno_McDohl|(talk)]]</sup> 03:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:With all due respect, one story that ended up being true does not automatically turn a 2 man blog into a reliable source.  I agree with both AnmaFinotera and Farix on this one. [[User:StryyderG|<span style='color:#FF9900'>StryyderG</span>]] ([[User talk:StryyderG|talk]]) 23:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

There seems like late comers like to take over the edits here recently. No one is allowed unless he or she is doing them, even if the information had came from the Anime Expo's official site or facebook. They put the information out before press release them to other organization. He or she only prefer one reference site. If came from another source, he or she will take them out. What is the purpose? There are all kinds of mistakes in Wikipedia. Just because no one cares to correct them doesn't mean they are all correct. Then you have admins who are careless about fairness or correctness. A little power goes straight to their head. [[Special:Contributions/64.183.42.63|64.183.42.63]] ([[User talk:64.183.42.63|talk]]) 22:20, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
*By your comment, I'm going to assume that you were the person I blocked for having a long, long history of edit warring, even going so far as to open up a few sockpuppet accounts to make it seem like you had backup. As was said below, the reason that the content was removed was because all that AE had confirmed was the years of the convention. You put in dates that were essentially original research, as you cannot predict what days that AE will hold an event - they have postponed for various reasons in the past and it's entirely possible this could happen in the next few years. They were also most certainly incorrect, since the con coincides with fourth of July weekend (usually) but is not always held on July 1 - 4. If they kept their typical schedule, the dates you gave were pretty easily proven wrong. I also explained below that Wikipedia is culpable for any misinformation that is added to the page. Like it or not, people pull information from Wikipedia and because of that, we need to make sure that we do not add information that is not 100% confirmed by the official sources. If we put in the wrong information that poses a potential legal issue and the last thing we need is for AE to file an official email with Wikipedia saying that we are allowing someone to deliberately spread around misinformation because they misinterpreted a press release. All we have so far are years, which is not enough to add to the template, especially since this fact is already in the article elsewhere. So in other words, the information you were trying to add '''was not correct except for the years'''. As far as sources go, not all sources are equal. Official sources are best for this sort of thing, followed by very trusted news sources. However some sources will report on rumors (or misinformation on Wikipedia) without actually verifying the information. Some sites rely entirely on fans reporting information, which again - can be spread around via incorrect data on Wikipedia. That is why typically Wikipedia prefers to use only a select amount of sites for sources. If you have a question about a new source, '''ask about it''', especially if the source is contested. There's usually a good reason. Now as far as your tone goes, please be aware that these are considered [[WP:ADHOMINEM]] attacks since you're essentially accusing specific editors (which you do not name, but it's pretty obvious) of improper behavior. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 14:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
:*I also need to say that if you ''are'' the account that I blocked, posting and editing under an IP address will be considered block evasion. There are ways to check for this. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 03:36, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

==Photo==

* Thanks to [[user:Kisuka|Kisuka]] for posting the new picture, much better than the previous one. You have the good sense to change it. One ''man'' may say "not your call to make", but I disagree. [[User:Bband11th|Bband11th]] ([[User talk:Bband11th|talk]]) 03:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

===Copyvio?===

I am asking if this image is copyvio. [[:File:Anime-Expo-2009.jpg]] in wiki commons and [http://g4tv.com/articles/67616/con_report_anime_expo_2009/ G4TV Anime Expo coverage]. I do not see any evidence that this image was released by its author. --[[User:KrebMarkt|KrebMarkt]] 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

:Good spotting. I've nominated the image for deletion at Commons as it violates Commons' ban on non free-use images. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 22:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

:Umm... I had permission to use it, but whatever, I'll just post a new one once AX2010 starts. [[User:Kisuka|Kisuka]] ([[User talk:Kisuka|talk]]) 19:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

==Spelling==
* do=due? pubisher=publisher? Thanks for the correction. Also this "One of the main causes of the tension is SPJA's new CEO, Michael Lattanzio, decision to cancel the SPJA's contract with BAM! Marketing, Publicity, & Promotions, a public relations firm that provided services to the SPJA since 2004." is not grammatically correct. Who did it? [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 17:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Attendance==
* When "Lattanzio noted that this year's total ''through-the-doors'' attendance exceeded 100,000 (which should not be confused with actual passes sold). From a financial standpoint, Lattanzio said that numbers were ''up 15%'' from last year." How can it be down from last year? Through-the-doors means people in the convention center during the 4 days. Turnstile is the number of passes sold? Or did they actually count the people? [[User:Bband11th|Bband11th]] ([[User talk:Bband11th|talk]]) 21:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:: The original 2016 & 2017 information was correct. But someone wants to do extra work? You can only lead a horse to water, but you can't make him to drink. [[Special:Contributions/64.183.42.70|64.183.42.70]] ([[User talk:64.183.42.70|talk]]) 21:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

==Michael Lattanzio ==
* What is going on? He said it was best Expo ever! [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 05:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

==Photos==
Can't believe some people think an old picture is better that a new one or no illustration is better. Can't understand "recent" objection at all. There are many articles with recent pictures. Just no common sense. It is interesting to note that Youtube has many videos and Flickr has lot of pictures of anime expo and cosplays. [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 06:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
:Just because there are recent images shouldn't mean that it should be nearer to the top. Please read [[WP:RECENT]].
:Images needed are images of the 2002 AX held in New York, and the 2004 AX held in Los Angeles. Both are unique one offs of the ones held in California. Only problem that I have found is I have not found ones that can be used under the "fair use" criteria required by WikiPedia.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 19:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

==additional citations for verification==
55 citations apparently not enough. Maybe 100 will be adequate or the article should be as long as the list of citations? [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 19:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
:Content not supported by inline reference can be removed per [[WP:BURDEN]]. If the content here is to remain, it should be supported by such references, otherwise it can be removed.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 19:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

== Separate SPJA page ==

With the Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation's recent event additions (Project Anime, Anime Conji) as well as the scope and history of Anime Expo itself, I propose extracting information relating specifically to the SPJA to a new page devoted to the organization, its history, filing status, and governance.  This is in the interest of avoiding repeated information about the SPJA, leadership, org structure, etc., when Anime Conji and Project Anime are added and expanded upon in the future.  This page for Anime Expo can then remain focused on only the event's history, venue, guests, attendance, etc.  While the precedent seems to have been set for major anime convention pages to have their parent organization's details married to the event page, it may need to be reevaluated for organizations that operate multiple events. [[User:Modernotaku|Modernotaku]] ([[User talk:Modernotaku|talk]]) 08:10, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
:The question is does [[Anime Conji]] and [[SPJA]] pass [[WP:GNG]], it appears that AC was declined, but if someone can argue that the subject is notable, than I don't see why both cannot have an article. SPJA would have to meet [[WP:ORG]] as well.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 23:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
:Here is an article primarily about for Anime Conji:
:*{{cite news |title=Anime lovers only |author=Nina Garin |url=http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/24/anime-lovers-only/ |newspaper=San Diego Union Tribune |date=24 March 2011 |accessdate=13 November 2012}}
:However, it does not appear to be enough to pass [[WP:GNG]].--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 23:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

== Anime Conji ==

Noticed that there is no article or sub-section [http://www.anime-conji.org/ f][http://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/get-your-con-on-this-weekend/ o]r [[Anime Conji]] which started as an [http://animecons.com/events/info.shtml/1932/Anime_Conji_2010 independent anime convention], and later ran by SPJA. Should that be a stand-alone article, or a section of this article?--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 20:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
:[http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/2011/03/anime-conji-2011-it%E2%80%99s-baaaaack-and-this-time-it%E2%80%99s-inter-and-intra-personal/ Cinefantastique Anime Conji 2011: It’s back, and this time it’s inter- and intra-personal] and [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2012/anime-expo/15 Anime News Network Anime Expo 2012 The Future of Anime Expo panel] are the only other sources I know that could be useful. I'm not sure Conji has enough sourcing for an independent article yet, so a section would probably be best. [[User:Esw01407|Esw01407]] ([[User talk:Esw01407|talk]]) 01:22, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

==Contract extension==
Per press release: "Los Angeles Convention Center (LACC) is thrilled to announce that the venue will host Anime Expo (“AX”) for the next five years (through 2019)". Some people just don't under the meaning of "through 2019". [[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]] ([[User talk:Ucla90024|talk]]) 19:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
: You have misrepresented the source in multiple ways. 
# No dates listed, you have assumed that those are the dates. Official webpage does have the 2016 dates.
# This is a press release, so it has the usual amount of sourcing issues.
:Can you provide a reliable source that these are the dates for the convention? The only event that should be listed unless you can is 2016 as the official webpage has posted the date. It seems that this is a continuation of your sourcing issues [[User:Ucla90024]], I've made every attempt to communicate with you and show good faith, but this could have to end up at administrators noticeboard. [[User:Esw01407|Esw01407]] ([[User talk:Esw01407|talk]]) 20:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
*[[User:Ucla90024|Ucla90024]], please do not list exact dates for the upcoming conventions. Until AE announces the dates for the upcoming conventions you should not be posting these. Ideally you wouldn't list these at all since we don't have anything beyond the year and as such, listing these aren't really all that helpful. The thing is, while LACC has confirmed that they'll be holding the events AE has not confirmed dates. While it's likely that this will be held in early July, there is no guarantee of this and a look at the con's history shows this since some of the cons have been held in late June. (And if they keep the same schedule, this is likely what's going to happen for 2017 and 2018.) You might figure "what's the harm" but the harm here is that people pull information from Wikipedia on a pretty regular basis and proclaimed it official. What you've done here by listing July 1-4 for 2017 - 2019 is basically original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. I don't want misinformation to spread because someone came on to Wikipedia and read something that, as of this point in time, is technically incorrect date-wise. The only thing that has been confirmed about AE is the years. At no point has AE actually confirmed any dates, which is an entirely different beast. I also need to point out that this could prove problematic with AE and it'd be entirely within their rights to complain to Wikipedia that we have the incorrect information. You may mean well, but this is still misinformation and it's doing Wikipedia and its readers a disservice. Please do not re-add these dates to the article, as the norm for Wikipedia is to only list the dates of an event when the exact date has been confirmed. No one is denying that the con has been extended. What they're objecting to is that you've taken it upon yourself to make up convention dates before the con itself has actually set them. Since we have no exact dates, there's no reason to add 2017-2019 to the table. This is turning into a revert war and if you do not stop you run a risk of being blocked. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 03:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
:*I also note that you've been warned about this [[User_talk:Ucla90024#Edit_warring|back in June]]. If you revert back to your edits I will very likely block you for a short period of time. You've already been given one warning so you're already well aware that edit warring is not acceptable. The press release does not give official dates for all of the years and should not be considered a guarantee that the cons for 2017 - 2019 will be held at these dates. In general you should not be adding any exact details unless you have a source that explicitly states that they will be attending. In this situation it would preferably be an official source like the con's website or a press release. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 03:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
::*Sure enough, the 2018 dates recently announced do not match the dates he put. 🙄
:::[[User:Alyssa3467|Alyssa3467]] ([[User talk:Alyssa3467|talk]]) 22:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
*Since he's continued to re-add this despite specifically being asked not to - and he's not discussing this on the talk page, he's getting blocked for a short period of time. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 04:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:*Actually I'm indeffing given that he's been edit warring '''since 2008'''. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 05:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
*Also I need to note that we should probably edit some of the phrasing in the article since the convention is typically held over the first weekend in July, which usually coincides with the 4th of July. This clarification would probably be a good idea. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (｡◕‿◕｡)</span>''']] 05:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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== Convention Start Dates ==

Should the table in the History section be using the "Day 0" date as the start of the convention? The schedule this year was *very* sparse, and the admission media said "Pre-Show" for Day 0 and "Four Day" for the rest of the convention.

[[User:Alyssa3467|Alyssa3467]] ([[User talk:Alyssa3467|talk]]) 22:21, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
: The [[San Diego Comic-Con]] doesn't count Preview Night, so I don't think this article should either.
: [[User:Alyssa3467|Alyssa3467]] ([[User talk:Alyssa3467|talk]]) 06:34, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

== Source ==

*https://web.archive.org/web/20000308040603/http://headline.gamespot.com/news/97_07/08_anime/index.html