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==List of winners in chronological order==
The pages for Le Tour (and other similar pages, like the World Cycling Championships) list winners in chronological order, i.e., oldest to most recent.  Any particular reason this page is backwards?  (It confused me for a minute.)  (Is there any Wikipedia guideline for this sort of thing?) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.192.188.20|172.192.188.20]] ([[User talk:172.192.188.20|talk]]) 17:37, 28 July 2004</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 -->

== Ski hill details? ==

The article starts by claiming that the Alpe is a 1850 m ski hill. Looking at the image one cannot help but be confused, as it looks like the slope in the background is perhaps 150 m at most. I noticed later on the page that the BOTTOM of the hill is at 1850 m... So is the ski area of the hill actually much smaller? If so, this should be what appears in the intro! [[User:Maury Markowitz|Maury]]

:the whole mountain is a ski resort, it links up with the "Les Deux Alpes" resort

:the article focusses to much on cycling  and as such the pic show roads, not ski resorts
:just do an image search on google for "alpe d'huez ski" ,and you'll see

:it's actually one of the better places to go skiing in france, if you can go outside the common holidays...


:the pic in the article is basically the top of the mountain that's allready high up in the mountain , during winter that area is white, that road isn't accessible then either <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.46.207.127|213.46.207.127]] ([[User talk:213.46.207.127|talk]]) 21:38, 19 July 2006</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 -->

== List of times for climb==

Some times from the 2004 ITT still need to be added to the table. 136 riders finished inside 48 minutes in 2004. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.132.161.145|86.132.161.145]] ([[User talk:86.132.161.145|talk]]) 22:27, 26 April 2007</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 -->

== ... ==
''Lance Armstrong's time from 2004 (37'36") makes him only the fifth fastest, highlighting how the 1990s saw notably faster ascents than other eras.''
[...]
''The increase in climbing speed in the 1990s had been attributed to the use of doping products, primarily Erythropoietin or EPO. A number of riders with sub-40' times, such as Alex Zülle, Riis, and Virenque, have confessed to using such products during this time. Strong evidence also exists that Pantani's records were also achieved with the assistance of EPO.''

It seems you absolutely have always to find a reason to justify the fact that your great hero best-of-all-time Lance Armstrong is not the best even in this occasion <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.2.110.251|87.2.110.251]] ([[User talk:87.2.110.251|talk]])  17:24, 13 July 2008</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 -->

:I agree with above comment. Please note the autopsy results for Pantani, that excluded intense and continuative use of EPO. The "Marco Pantani" wiki page in english, has a reference to this issue. There is no proof of EPO use for Pantani. Please correct this. I'm going to inform Pantani's family of this shame. Hi. Roberto. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.241.31.125|87.241.31.125]] ([[User talk:87.241.31.125|talk]]) 11:42, 3 June 2010</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP2 -->

== mistakes in the list of times ==
In 1997 Jan Ullrich was 20 to 24 seconds faster than Lance Armstrong in 2001. Ullrich needed 37min 48-50sec for the climb itself (measured from the actual beginning of the climb: left turn in Bourg d'Oisans hitting the first 10% ramp), Armstrong needed 38min 10-12sec from the. This can be observed and proven by the available TV recordings one can find on the internet.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.64.135.163|77.64.135.163]] ([[User talk:77.64.135.163|talk]]) 15:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The table shows Laurent Fignon being 25 seconds faster than Pedro Delgado in 1989, yet they started the climb in the same group and they crossed the finish line together. [[User:Matteomjb|Matteomjb]] ([[User talk:Matteomjb|talk]]) 10:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

It seems there are still some corrections to be made about the ascent times, especially about the times of 2006. Frank Schleck won the stage that year at the summit of the Alpe d'Huez. Yet, according to the table, his time of 2006 is only ranked as the 20th fastest ascent while the times of Landis and Kloden, that same year, are ranked 7th and 8th respectively. Landis is said to have made 38'34 and Kloden 38'35. It is obvious that they couldn't have crossed the line more than two minutes before the stage winner.
Same thing for Pierre Rolland in 2011. Being the stage winner, he could not have arrived 36 seconds after Samuel Sanchez.
Unfortunately, I don't have the statistics, but I hope someone can check for the accurate times and change the list.--[[User:Onimarou|Onimarou]] ([[User talk:Onimarou|talk]]) 20:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::: The times are all over the place, some of the times appear to be based on 14.454km but some of the times on the list are based on 13.8km. The current accepted distance is 13.8. it really needs to be fully updated. [[User:Dimspace|Dimspace]] ([[User talk:Dimspace|talk]]) 22:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
You were right, Dimspace! I guess '''this list''' could be very accurate since they just focus on timing climbing records. They have also one for the Mont Ventoux. 
: http://www.climbing-records.com/2015/07/three-riders-make-it-into-alpe-dhuez.html (Alpe d´Huez)
: http://www.climbing-records.com/2013/07/mont-ventoux-2013-two-new-entries-in.html (Mont Ventoux)

13.8 km in Alpe d´Huez according to Climbing Records:

{| class="wikitable"
! Rank
! Time
! Name
! Year
! Country

|-
|1 || 36' 40" || [[Marco Pantani]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|2 || 36' 53" || [[Marco Pantani]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|3 || 37' 15" || [[Marco Pantani]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|4 || 37' 36" || [[Lance Armstrong]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{USA}}
|-
|5 || 37' 40" || [[Jan Ullrich]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{DEU}}
|-
|6 || 38' 03" || [[Lance Armstrong]] || [[2001 Tour de France|2001]] || {{USA}}
|-
|7 || 38' 04" || [[Miguel Indurain]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|8 || 38' 04" || [[Alex Zülle]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{SUI}}
|-
|9 || 38' 06" || [[Bjarne Riis]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{DEN}}
|-
|10 || 38' 20" || [[Richard Virenque]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|11 || 38' 34" || [[Laurent Madouas]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|12 || 38' 35" || [[Floyd Landis]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{USA}}
|-
|13 || 38' 35" || [[Andreas Klöden]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{DEU}}
|-
|14 || 38' 40" || [[Jan Ullrich]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{DEU}}
|-
|15 || 38' 55" || [[Richard Virenque]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|16 || 39' 00" || [[Carlos Sastre]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|17 || 39' 08" || [[Iban Mayo]] || [[2003 Tour de France|2003]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|18 || 39' 12" || [[Andreas Klöden]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{DEU}}
|-
|19 || 39' 14" || [[José Azevedo]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{POR}}
|-
|20 || 39' 14" || [[Levi Leipheimer]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{USA}}
|-
|21 || 39' 20" || [[Francesco Casagrande]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|22 || 39' 21" || [[Bjarne Riis]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{DEN}}
|-
|23 || 39' 22" || [[Nairo Quintana]] || [[2015 Tour de France|2015]] || {{COL}}
|-
|24 || 39' 30" || [[Miguel Indurain]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|25 || 39' 30" || [[Luc Leblanc]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|26 || 39' 30" || [[Carlos Sastre]] || [[2008 Tour de France|2008]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|27 || 39' 37" || [[Vladimir Poulnikov]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{UKR}}
|-
|28 || 39' 40" || [[Giuseppe Guerini]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|29 || 39' 41" || [[Santos González]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|30 || 39' 41" || [[Vladimir Karpets]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{RUS}}
|-
|31 || 39' 42" || [[Fernando Escartin]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|32 || 39' 42" || [[Claudio Chiappucci]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|33 || 39' 42" || [[Paolo Lanfranchi]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|34 || 39' 46" || [[Denis Menchov]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{RUS}}
|-
|35 || 39' 46" || [[Michael Rasmussen]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{DEN}}
|-
|36 || 39' 46" || [[Pietro Caucchioli]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|37 || 39' 48" || [[Tony Rominger]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{SUI}}
|-
|38 || 39' 48" || [[Nairo Quintana]] || [[2013 Tour de France|2013]] || {{COL}}
|-
|39 || 39' 51" || [[Pavel Tonkov]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{RUS}}
|-
|40 || 39' 51" || [[Joaquim Rodríguez]] || [[2013 Tour de France|2013]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|41 || 39' 52" || [[Beat Zberg]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{SUI}}
|-
|42 || 39' 52" || [[Udo Bölts]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{DEU}}
|-
|43 || 39' 52" || [[Roberto Conti]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|44 || 39' 52" || [[Laurent Madouas]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|45 || 39' 56" || [[David Moncoutié]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|46 || 39' 57" || [[Carlos Sastre]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|47 || 39' 58" || [[Ivan Basso]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|48 || 39' 58" || [[Stéphane Goubert]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|49 || 40' 01" || [[Piotr Ugrumov]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{RUS}}
|-
|50 || 40' 01" || [[Alex Zülle]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{SUI}}
|-
|51 || 40' 02" || [[Jan Ullrich]] || [[2001 Tour de France|2001]] || {{DEU}}
|-
|52 || 40' 07" || [[Laurent Jalabert]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|53 || 40' 07" || [[Michael Rogers (cyclist)]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{AUS}}
|-
|54 || 40' 12" || [[Joseba Beloki]] || [[2001 Tour de France|2001]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|55 || 40' 14" || [[Óscar Pereiro]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|56 || 40' 14" || [[Michael Rogers (cyclist)]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{AUS}}
|-
|57 || 40' 14" || [[Cadel Evans]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{AUS}}
|-
|58 || 40' 14" || [[Ivan Parra]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{COL}}
|-
|59 || 40' 15" || [[Laurent Jalabert]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|60 || 40' 15" || [[Marco Fincato]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|61 || 40' 18" || [[Abraham Olano]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|62 || 40' 23" || [[Orlando Rodrigues]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{POR}}
|-
|63 || 40' 27" || [[Gianni Bugno]] || [[1991 Tour de France|1991]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|64 || 40' 27" || [[Marcos Serrano]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|65 || 40' 28" || [[Miguel Indurain]] || [[1991 Tour de France|1991]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|66 || 40' 29" || [[Luc Leblanc]] || [[1991 Tour de France|1991]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|67 || 40' 29" || [[Cyril Dessel]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|68 || 40' 29" || [[Haimar Zubeldia]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|69 || 40' 31" || [[Richard Virenque]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|70 || 40' 31" || [[Ivan Gotti]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|71 || 40' 32" || [[Oscar Pereiro]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|72 || 40' 32" || [[Mikel Astarloza]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|73 || 40' 33" || [[Christophe Moreau]] || [[2001 Tour de France|2001]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|74 || 40' 39" || [[Manuel Beltran]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|75 || 40' 40" || [[José Enrique Gutiérrez]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|76 || 40' 42" || [[Alejandro Valverde]] || [[2015 Tour de France|2015]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|77 || 40' 42" || [[Christopher Froome]] || [[2015 Tour de France|2015]] || {{GBR}}
|-
|78 || 40' 43" || [[Roberto Conti]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|79 || 40' 43" || [[Oscar Pelliccioli]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|80 || 40' 43" || [[Pascal Lino]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|81 || 40' 43" || [[Fernando Escartin]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|82 || 40' 43" || [[Armand de Las Cuevas]] || [[1994 Tour de France|1994]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|83 || 40' 45" || [[Fränk Schleck]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{LUX}}
|-
|84 || 40' 46" || [[Georg Totschnig]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{AUT}}
|-
|85 || 40' 49" || [[Johan Bruyneel]] || [[1995 Tour de France|1995]] || {{BEL}}
|-
|86 || 40' 49" || [[Sandy Casar]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|87 || 40' 49" || [[Gilberto Simoni]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|88 || 40' 53" || [[Alexander Vinokourov]] || [[2003 Tour de France|2003]] || {{KAZ}}
|-
|89 || 40' 54" || [[Richie Porte]] || [[2013 Tour de France|2013]] || {{AUS}}
|-
|90 || 40' 54" || [[Christopher Froome]] || [[2013 Tour de France|2013]] || {{GBR}}
|-
|91 || 40' 56" || [[Floyd Landis]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{USA}}
|-
|92 || 40' 56" || [[Damiano Cunego]] || [[2006 Tour de France|2006]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|93 || 40' 57" || [[Oscar Sevilla]] || [[2001 Tour de France|2001]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|94 || 40' 57" || [[Mikel Astarloza]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|95 || 40' 57" || [[Juan Miguel Mercado]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|96 || 40' 58" || [[Alejandro Valverde]] || [[2013 Tour de France|2013]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|97 || 41' 00" || [[Christophe Moreau]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|98 || 41' 02" || [[Jean-Francois Bernard]] || [[1991 Tour de France|1991]] || {{FRA}}
|-
|99 || 41' 03" || [[Gilberto Simoni]] || [[2004 Tour de France|2004]] || {{ITA}}
|-
|100 || 41' 07" || [[Fernando Escartin]] || [[1997 Tour de France|1997]] || {{ESP}}
|-
|}

Maybe the Wikipedians do some research if this is the 100% accurate list.--[[User:Niten Doraku|Niten Doraku]] ([[User talk:Niten Doraku|talk]]) 15:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)