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== Archiving ==
Does anyone mind if I set up archiving on this <s>vast, swirling pit of fermenting ordure</s> Talk page, please? Best wishes [[User:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|DBaK]] ([[User talk:DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered|talk]]) 20:00, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

:Done!—[[User:Anita5192|Anita5192]] ([[User talk:Anita5192|talk]]) 05:54, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

== What ''is'' it called with vowels then?  Or with initial letters that don't necessarily sound alike? ==
''"In literature, alliteration is the conspicuous repetition of identical initial consonant sounds"''

''"Some literary experts accept as alliteration the repetition of vowel sounds"''

So, for those literary experts who ''don't'' accept alliteration as repetition of vowel sounds, this means that "always avoid alliteration" isn't a [[fumblerule]].  There might also be an issue in that only the last two 'a's are pronounced the same.  But this just raises the question: what ''is'' this, if it isn't alliteration?

Really I'm looking for two things: a term that covers repetition of vowel sounds at the starts of words (such as "avoid alliteration"), and a term that covers repetition of initial ''letters'' (such as "always avoid alliteration"), that are accepted by those who don't accept these under the term "alliteration". — [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 20:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

:I suggest you consult the following.<ref>{{ citation | last1 = Baldick | first1 = Chris | title = The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms | location = Oxford | publisher = [[Oxford University Press]] | year = 2004 | isbn = 978-0-19-860883-7 }}</ref>—[[User:Anita5192|Anita5192]] ([[User talk:Anita5192|talk]]) 21:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::More important perhaps, this:
::Scott, Fred Newton (December 1915). "Vowel Alliteration in Modern Poetry". Modern Language Notes. 30 (8): 233. doi:10.2307/2915831. ISSN 0149-6611
::And check the rules for alliteration in the alliterative verse article. Vowel alliteration is alliteration as far as practicing poets are concerned. So I've corrected the language in this article to reflect that. [[User:PDDeane|PDDeane]] ([[User talk:PDDeane|talk]]) 19:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Also this:
:::Ferber, M. (2019). Poetry and language: the linguistics of verse. Cambridge University Press, p. 66 [[User:PDDeane|PDDeane]] ([[User talk:PDDeane|talk]]) 19:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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== References, Citations and pages ==

The end matter has been a mix of different styles for the last three or four years.  Currently there are:
* Harvard style references to full citations (eg "9 ^Beckson & Ganz (1989)" -> "Beckson, Karl; Ganz, Arthur (1989), Literary Terms: A Dictionary (3rd ed.), New York: Noonday Press, LCCN 88-34368")
* Citations in the reference list (eg "28 ^Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. J. R. R. Tolkien, Norman Davis (eds.) (2. ed., 14. impr ed.). Oxford: Clarendon Press. 1995. ISBN 978-0-19-811486-4.")
in addition some pages are referenced with:
* {{tp|rp}}
* some use the {{para|p}} mechanism
* most do nothing.
in short, a bit of a bird's nest.

I propose to be [[WP:BOLD]] and give the article a good clean up.  Since there isn't a single style of referencing I intend to pull all the citations into a single list and use short form referencing to them.  To allow for discussion I'll hold off until Monday 21 March. [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 10:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.—[[User:Anita5192|Anita5192]] ([[User talk:Anita5192|talk]]) 15:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
:No objection here.   <small><sub>''signed'', </sub></small>[[User:Willondon|Willondon]] ([[User Talk:Willondon|talk]])  15:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

::Apologies for not getting on to this earlier as promised.  I'll start work on this forthwith. [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 20:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
:::I've been waiting for {{u|Owent acc}} to do something after he removed my editing notice.  Does anyone know if he plans to do something, or shall I continue? [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 22:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)