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* [http://www.infoshop.org/amp/bgp/BlackBlockPapers2.pdf ''The Black Bloc Papers: An Anthology of Primary Texts From The North American Anarchist Black Bloc 1988–2005''], by Xavier Massot & David Van Deusen, Breaking Glass Press, Shawnee Mission, KS, 2010. {{ISBN|0-9791671-0-8}}
* [[Christopher DeLaurenti]] ''[http://www.ubu.com/sound/delaurenti.html N30: Live at the WTO Protest, November 30, 1999 and N30: Who Guards the Guardians]'' Audio pieces made from live field recordings at the scene and police scanner recordings captured at N30.
* Parrish, Geov. "[https://web.archive.org/web/20041010180410/http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9946/features-parrish.shtml Beyond Gandhi]". ''Seattle Weekly''. November 24, 1999.
* Gates, Rhoderick. "Seattle Explosion: 2 Years Too Late". ''Our Time'', November 31, 1999.
* Movie [http://www.corrugate.org/this-is-what-democracy-looks-like.html ''This Is What Democracy Looks Like''].
* George, Susan [http://mondediplo.com/2000/01/07george ''Fixing or nixing the WTO''] Le Monde diplomatique, January 2000.
* Monbiot, George [https://www.theguardian.com/print/0,,3942169-103635,00.html ''Still bent on world conquest''], Guardian, London, December 16, 1999
* {{cite web| year= 1999| url=http://www.black-rose.com/seattle-wto.html|title =Scenes from the Battle of Seattle| publisher =Black Rose Web Pages|last =Highleyman| first =Liz| access-date =March 28, 2008}}
* [http://spip.modkraft.dk/biblioteket/undersider/article/the-battle-of-seattle-contents The Battle of Seattle : "Globalize This!" – on the Internet] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180906013442/http://spip.modkraft.dk/biblioteket/undersider/article/the-battle-of-seattle-contents |date=September 6, 2018 }} Globalize This! : The Battle Against the World Trade Organization and Corporate Rule, edited by Kevin Danaher & Roger Burbach (Monroe, Maine, Common Courage Press, 2000, 218 pages)
* Almeida, Paul D. and Mark I. Lichbach. 2003. “To the Internet, from the Internet: Comparative Media Coverage of Transnational Protest.” ''Mobilization'' 8(3): 249–272 (October)

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Moved from the article; feel free to restore where needed, if [[WP:RS|reliable]]. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 18:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

== Requested move 5 December 2024 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' There is a consensus against moving to "Battle of Seattle". <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">'''Toadspike'''</span>]] [[User talk:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span>]] 12:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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[[:1999 Seattle WTO protests]] → {{no redirect|Battle of Seattle}} – I'm opening a discussion for moving this title to "Battle of Seattle", as I believe it to be the [[WP:COMMONNAME|common name]] for these protests. For years, this is the name by which I've heard these protests described. This appears to be born out in the sources too, as [[Google Scholar]] search results give 5,800 results for "Battle of Seattle";[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Battle+of+Seattle%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1999&as_yhi=] while "Seattle WTO protests" gets only 659 results.[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Seattle+WTO+protests%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1999&as_yhi=]

I can understand why the "Seattle WTO protests" title was used, as it sounds more dry and descriptive. But going by common name policy, I think "Battle of Seattle" is probably what we should be using for this. So as this is a potentially controversial move, I'm opening a discussion here. What are your thoughts on this? [[User:Grnrchst|Grnrchst]] ([[User talk:Grnrchst|talk]]) 09:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">'''Toadspike'''</span>]] [[User talk:Toadspike|<span style="color:#21a81e;font-variant: small-caps;font-weight:bold;">[Talk]</span>]] 10:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
:'''Oppose'''. Reliable secondary sources (such as ''The Seattle Times'', HistoryLink, and ''The New York Times'') use "Seattle WTO protests" pretty much across the board. For the first two, there are a number of results for the ''1856 Battle of Seattle'' mixed in as well, so natural disambiguation is preferred. '''[[User:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#2dc84d; color:#0033a0; padding:2px;">Sounder</span>]][[User talk:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#7ce0d3; color:black; padding:2px;">Bruce</span>]]''' 10:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::*Fwiw, even with disambiguators it appears to be more common: "Battle of Seattle" "1999" gets 4,990 hits;[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1999&q=%22Battle+of+Seattle%22+%221999%22&btnG=] "Battle of Seattle" "protests" gets 3,680;[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1999&q=%22Battle+of+Seattle%22+%22protests%22&btnG=] "Battle of Seattle" "WTO" gets 3,020;[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1999&q=%22Battle+of+Seattle%22+%22WTO%22&btnG=] "Battle of Seattle" "WTO" "protests" "1999" gets 2,160 hits.[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=1999&q=%22Battle+of+Seattle%22+%22WTO%22+%22protests%22+%221999%22&btnG=] --[[User:Grnrchst|Grnrchst]] ([[User talk:Grnrchst|talk]]) 16:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
* Offhand, I recall "Battle of Seattle" being more common in partisan sources, more widely known in mainstream sources as the WTO protests (in Seattle), or some similar formation per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events)]] even if it's not a string match for "Seattle WTO protests" verbatim. Bruce surfaced some sources and I'd expect the same with further searching in mainstream sources for a common name. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; color:inherit; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 12:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per Czar. The current title is more objective, descriptive, and understandable, and is closer to what is used by objective sources such as [https://content.lib.washington.edu/wtoweb/index.html University of Washington] and [https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2015/11/the-whole-world-is-watching Seattle Met]. "Battle of Seattle" is a clickbait title chosen for sensationalism. A descriptive title doesn't need to be an exact phrase match. —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 11:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' "Battle" implies back and forth combat. The protestors didn't really fight back other than being disruptive.  [[User:Rager7|<span style="background-color: red; color: blue">Rager7</span>]] ([[User talk:Rager7|talk]]) 05:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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