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==Untitled==
I belive that this page should be moved back to "...Baby One More Time" as this is what the album is offically called and all of the pages link to the redirect page of "...Baby One More Time". Also the single is under the name "[[...Baby One More Time (single)]]".
[[User:Ianblair23|Ianblair23]] 02:14, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' The punctuation is a designer's treatment on the album cover, and not actually part of the title.  The song ought to be moved to [[Baby One More Time (single)]].  ''—[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-08-11&nbsp;21:56&nbsp;Z</small>''

''It was [[wikipedia:requested moves|requested]] that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved.'' [[User:Violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 21:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

==14 Million Mark Doesn't Mean 14 Million Copies Sold!==
We all know that "Baby One More Time" was certified 14X platinum by the [http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=Baby%20One%20More%20Time&artist=Britney%20Spears&format=ALBUM&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=25 Recording Industry Association of America] on July 19, 2004, as we all beleived that it sold 14 million copies or units! But, we're definitely wrong the album sold only 10,534,000 copies respectively. And the other 3,446,000 copies where shipped to retailers.

==Clarity==
Can somebody clarify (for those of us not [[Billboard]] chart [[wanks]]) if the sales numbers refer only to ''Baby'', to its several mentioned variants, to the other albums referred to, or what?  [[User:Trekphiler|Trekphiler]] 06:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

==Singles section - OVERKILL==
This is just way too much.  Not only should these images ''not'' appear anywhere but on the articles for the singles, but they are way too huge and all of the information shown here should already be in the individual articles for the singles.  All of this is absolutely not needed here - it looks like a fansite. - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] 17:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />I feel like there should be a section for the singles.  I'm guessing that since [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] made this comment, somebody completeley removed the singles section.  I think it would be very important/helpful to include a section for a short description of the singles of this album.[[User:Hpswimmer|Hpswimmer]] ([[User talk:Hpswimmer|talk]]) 01:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

== Secret Message? ==

This looks weird. Is it a troll? If not, I'd like to see a source.
"In the very early releases of the album, there is a hidden message after "The Beat Goes On". It had Britney Spears promoting some of the songs from the [[Backstreet Boys]]' album ''Millennium''.
There is a secret message check it [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aki5lBzvHk watch here]

== U.S and Worldwide Sales as of 2009 (UPDATED) ==

As of July 2009, the album has sold 10,534,000 copies in the U.S. according to [http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/ask-bb/ask-billboard-michael-jackson-britney-spears-1003992770.story#/bbcom/ask-bb/ask-billboard-michael-jackson-britney-spears-1003992770.story Nielsen SoundScan] and [http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-03-29-britney-sidebar_x.htm USA Today News of 2006] with additional 1,600,000 sold at BMG Music Clubs [http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=47877 click here] However, [[Nielsen SoundScan]] does not count albums sold through clubs like the BMG Music Service, which were significantly popular in the 1990's.[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003702049 link]

According to the [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195283,00.html FOX News] and the [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1574639/Britney-Spears-barred-from-seeing-her-children.html Telegraph.Co.Uk News] the album surpassed the 25 million mark. According to [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,624912,00.html "People Magazine"] the album had sold 24 million copies worldwide since October 7, 2002. It still stated on her website [http://www.britney.com/ph/biography www.britney.com] on her career highlights, "Baby One More Time" sold only 22 million copies worldwide...but the certifications there are false like Mexicos' AMPROFON certification and the Brazilian's ADBP are did not match on its websites..I do not trust this site...please site an reliable source on changing the worldwide sales figure.<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Adelbutt123|Adelbutt123]] ([[User talk:Adelbutt123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adelbutt123|contribs]]) 08:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Professional Reviews and Worldwide Promotion ==

This article lacks professional reviews, I think its because it was on January 1999. And the promotion is a mess! Britney did a worldwide promotion for "Baby One More Time" like in Japan [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvpIET4Vjc click here] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6M4OySozho Hey!Hey!Hey!] and at the Festival Bar in Italy [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYC-FWgQ8cc click here]

== More Info for ...Baby One More Time Album ==

According to the [http://www.billboard.com/#/album/britney-spears/baby-one-more-time/332211 US Billboard Charts].
The album spent;
*[[Billboard 200]]- stayed 103 weeks, debuted #1 on January 30, 1999.
*Catalog Albums- stayed 19 weeks, debuted #9 on January 20, 2001.
*[[Canadian Albums Chart]]- stayed 47 weeks, debuted #1 on January 30, 1999.

The total length of the tracks equals to 42:20 duration on American Editions.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Adelbutt123|Adelbutt123]] ([[User talk:Adelbutt123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adelbutt123|contribs]]) 07:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Certification ==

The album is certified both 14×Platinum and Gold by RIAA. In fact, every album with more than 10 Platinum is automatically certified Diamond. Saying 14×Platinum means it is certified Diamond. Saying Diamond does not mean 14×Platinum. Therefore 14×Platinum should be used in the certification table. --[[User:Muhandes|Muhandes]] ([[User talk:Muhandes|talk]]) 06:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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== [[Bowling for Soup]] ==

The band did a version of this song first track on their "Go to the Movies" album, should that be mentioned on the article? [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 11:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
== Requested move ==

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The result of the move request was: '''Move'''. Rough consensus that the song is the primary topic; it will be moved to this title. [[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 14:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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[[:...Baby One More Time]] → {{no redirect|...Baby One More Time (album)}} – [http://stats.grok.se/en/201212/...Baby%20One%20More%20Time%20(song) The song] is as popular as [http://stats.grok.se/en/201212/...Baby%20One%20More%20Time the album]... right now. However, I still believe that the song is more popular than the album in Wikipedia because... statistics of album may drop if it is disambiguated. Look at [http://stats.grok.se/en/201212/Doctor%20Zhivago%20(novel) ''Doctor Zhivago'' (novel)]; when it was disambiguated from [http://stats.grok.se/en/201112/Doctor%20Zhivago ''Doctor Zhivago''], the stats drastically declined. Same goes for [http://stats.grok.se/en/201212/My%20Sister's%20Keeper_(novel) ''My Sister's Keeper'' (novel)], renamed from [http://stats.grok.se/en/201112/My%20Sister's%20Keeper ''My Sister's Keeper'']. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

*'''Support''' it's pretty obvious that it's the song that's primary, since it's the song that got playtime, not the entire album, and the song video is the thing that generated controversy, along with the lyrics of the song. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.180.225|65.92.180.225]] ([[User talk:65.92.180.225|talk]]) 23:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''': The song is definitely the primary topic. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 14:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
*'''Unsure'''. This is generally not done, usually, it doesn't matter, the album is the main topic and the song is directed at (song). I'm not convinced. <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span style="color:black;" title="User page">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</span> 22:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
:* I did not say that "(song)" should be primary. I said that it may be more popular, but you get the idea. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 03:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
::*Oh, I was under that impression. Than what would [[...Baby One More Time]] be? <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span style="color:black;" title="User page">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</span> 03:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
:::* Album should not be primary, so it can be two-disambiguation page for a while until someone proposes that a song be primary. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 04:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
:::* If proposal is approved, then we may convert the redirect page [[Baby One More Time]] into a disambiguation page and make [[...Baby One More Time]] a redirect. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 03:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::::* I disagree with having a two-disambiguation page, as that is usually frowned upon. I think this should be adjusted to include the song, and see what everyone thinks about making the song the primary topic. <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span style="color:black;" title="User page">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</span> 23:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::* There are ''[[Hit Me, Baby, One More Time]]'' and [[...Baby One More Time Tour]]. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 00:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::* If you want the song to be primary topic, go ahead and then say it. However, I still don't see either as overcoming one another. In fact, real numbers of album could be 400 or 200 per day. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 06:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::* I'm still unsure about this... You really could argue that the song is the primary topic, but at the same time, the album did sell more than the single did. But I do think something like [[Dance Again (disambiguation)]] needs to be done, to cover in the tour and the TV show. <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Status|<span style="color:black;" title="User page">Statυs</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Status|<span title="Talk">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Status|<span title="Contributions">contribs</span>]])</span> 03:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Although typically the album is the main topic, I find the proposal to be more useful and clear for the readers. Thankyou. [[User:Till|<span style="color: #007BA7;">'''''Till'''''</span>]] 04:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep as it is'''. The song will always be popular because it is a single, but it would be the same as saying that we should move [[Oops!... I Did It Again]] to Oops!... I Did It Again because the song is more notable. Same could be said for [[Like a Prayer]]. The song [[Like a Prayer (song)]] is more notable than the album, still, the article wasn't moved. There are many other cases such as [[Like a Virgin]], [[Sound of the Underground]], etc. - [[User:Sauloviegas|<span style="color: green; font-family: Aharoni;">Saulo</span>]] [[User talk:Sauloviegas|<sup><span style="color: blue;">Talk to Me</span></sup>]] 11:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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== Voice and performance ==

"Spears possesses a soprano vocal range" statement -

Is this a joke? --[[User:Lapadite77|Lapadite77]] ([[User talk:Lapadite77|talk]]) 03:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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== best selling debut album by a solo artist ==

Somebody has deleted that the album is the "best selling debut album by a solo artist" (ever - male or female). With this references. The RIAA gold and platinum list and the next ones:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/10/britney-spears-baby-one-more-time_n_4574929.html

https://www.elle.com/fashion/g18431/britney-spears-fashion-history/?slide=3

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/gallery/the-business-of-being-britney-spears/ss-AAAFzTc?index=45#image=3

https://live.wtmx.com/listen/artist/45a663b5-b1cb-4a91-bff6-2bef7bbfdd76?slide=14

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