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==Link to deletion log==
Could the text:
:<span class="plainlinks">View [{{fullurl:Special:Log/delete|page=$1}} deletion log]</span>?
Be added to near the "view deleted edits" section? As a non-admin, it's very frustrating to try to find the deletion history of an image that has a red link and going to [[Special:Upload]]. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> § 05:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:there should be a message at the bottom linking to the log already if you follow a link to a deleted image.  It'd be a lot clearer if this page wasn't such a mess. [[User:Night Gyr|Night Gyr]] ([[User talk:Night Gyr|talk]]/[[User:Night Gyr/Over|Oy]]) 06:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::o_O ... I personally think that it would be better located at the top, unless we want to move the "view deleted edits" item down. It seems to make a bit more sense to do that. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> § 20:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I like the view and restore on top, people who click redlink images ''usually'' want to see a log probably, not upload. Anyway, I changed it so both are at the top. - '''[[User:Cohesion|cohesion]]''' 20:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Thank you; it works. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> § 20:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::::The "View deleted edits" even as a non-admin on the upload form is a bug. I filed a bug report ages ago about it. Not a high priority to get fixed, as non-admins can't see Special:Undelete anyway. <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">^</span>[[User:^demon|<span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">demon</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:^demon|<span style="color:red">[omg plz]</span>]]</sup>&nbsp;<em style="font-size:10px;">14:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)</em>

It doesn't seem to work in some cases.  Example http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Harvest-Let%27s+Fight.ogg goes to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Image:Harvest-Let's (no .ogg) (Check the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Image:Harvest-Let's Fight.ogg deletion log]?) but the link to Special:Undelete is right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Image:Harvest-Let%27s_Fight.ogg). 

[{{fullurl:Special:Log/delete|page={{urlencode:Image:Harvest-Let's Fight.ogg}}}} deletion log] works
[{{fullurl:Special:Log/delete|page=Image:Harvest-Let's Fight.ogg}} deletion log] doesn't. [[User:Kotepho|Kotepho]] 15:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Night Gyr|Night Gyr]] ([[User talk:Night Gyr|talk]]/[[User:Night Gyr/Over|Oy]]) 15:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fair use "restriction" ==

{{tl|sudo}}

:''"Note that images of a living person or extant building may not be uploaded under fair use."''

Right... so... every fair use image we have that contains a person or a building needs to be deleted? Er... I think not. Can this be re-worded to avoid giving that impression, please? – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 12:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:{{xmark}} '''Not done''' The essay [[Wikipedia:Deletion of all fair use images of living people]] explains what's going on. Basically, if it's theoretically possible that a free image could be obtained, a fair-use image shouldn't be used according to [[WP:FUC]] 1. (This is somewhat controversial, but it's what the policy says at the moment.) I won't make this change so as to keep the upload page consistent with policy; but note that [[CAT:REFU]] sometimes gets very backlogged, so maybe admins in general agree with you. (Such images do need to be deleted according to current policy; see [[WP:CSD#I7]] and [[Template:Replaceable fair use]]! Bear in mind it only applies to ''living'' people and ''existing'' buildings, because these things can in theory have free-licenced photos taken of them.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 18:02, 12 May 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])

:: That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about ''any'' fair-use photo that might be of something else completely, but incidentally happens to contain one or more people or buildings. Some of those people/buildings might still exist, but other elements of the photo may mean that it ''isn't'' replaceable with a free equivalent – a photo of a historical event, for example. Surely then it is acceptable? But the way this sentence on the image description page is worded, it sounds like ''no'' photo that contains ''any'' living person or existing building can be uploaded under fair use ''at all''. I cannot believe that that is the case – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 05:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

:: If the criterion for valid fair-use is "not replaceable with a free equivalent", then can it please be reworded to this?

:::''"Note that images of a living person or extant building may not be uploaded under fair use, if an equivalent under a free license exists or could be created."''

:: – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 05:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
::::{{tick}} '''Done'''. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 17:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the new wording makes it clearer what the instruction means. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 07:56, 14 May 2007 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
test sample  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.183.204.50|122.183.204.50]] ([[User talk:122.183.204.50|talk]]) 12:15, 1 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Punctuation ==

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Please remove the [[quotation mark]]s from ''Images that you just "found somewhere".''  I see no rational for their inclusion.  Thank you.  <span style="background:#7FFF00">[[User:Reywas92|Reywas92]]</span><sup><span style="background:#00ff7f">[[User talk:Reywas92|Talk]]</span></sup> 19:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:{{done}} thanks for finding [[Quotation_marks#Emphasis_.28incorrect.29|that]] :) - '''[[User:Cohesion|cohesion]]''' 01:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Misspelling ==

Just to let you know, the word "licenced" is misspelled.  This is on the line that says <b>"An explanation of why you believe the file is so <i><u>licenced</u></i>."</b> An administrator or anyone with sufficient privileges should <b>correct it to "<i><u>licensed</u></i>"</b>.  You may use a spell checker to see for yourself. --[[User:Alex rosenberg35|Alex rosenberg35]] 18:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:{{done}} Done.  Thank you. --[[User:BigDT|BigDT]] 18:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Protected edit request ==

{{tl|sudo}}

Enclose this message with <code><nowiki><div id="mw-uploadtext"> ... </div></nowiki></code>, so that it can be referred to using CSS. Thanks – [[User:86.133.139.4|86.133.139.4]] 10:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:{{tick|18}} '''Done''' —<span style="color: red;">[[User:Mets501|M<small>ETS</small>501]] ([[User talk:Mets501|talk]])</span> 17:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

== My God! ==

Does anybody actually read this thing?  It's the worst case of interface fruit salad I've ever seen on Wikipedia! --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 18:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't suppose you have any concrete suggestions for improvement? [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 19:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::If I can figure out what it's trying to say, I will. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 21:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== New version ==

I've got a new version of the upload header at [[User:Carnildo/Sandbox-upload]].  Advantages of this version include:
# No fruit salad, so there's a chance people will actually read it.
# Step-by-step directions, so there's a chance people will understand it.
# Positive statements rather than warnings and threats, so there's a chance people will pay attention to it.
--[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 22:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:I like that it's shorter, with less random colors and possibly distracting logos (this may be what you mean by fruit salad).  However, I think it should have at least one warning that images may be deleted.  Also, it should address non-free use rationales more directly, suggest uploading to Commons, and ask for a link to online content. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 01:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's the sort of thing that led to the mess we have now.  I'm not trying to come up with a comprehensive document covering all possible image-uploading situations (I tried that once; gave up after fifty or so pages when I still hadn't adequately distinguished between free and non-free images), but a set of basic instructions on how to upload an image. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 02:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::The problem is that 95% of the world isn't going to read a word of it.  If you make the one (and only) important thing stand out - don't upload random stuff you found on some random website - then we probably go up from 5% to 50% reading and comprehending that particular concept. The old one was way too much probably didn't help.  The one thing that you need to get from reading that form is that under penalty of fire and brimstone, don't upload random stuff from the internet.  Anything else they get from it is bonus. --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 23:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::'''''One''''' fruit-salad box is too much.  If we're going to have a screaming red box, we might as well not have any of the rest of it, because nobody's ever going to read it. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 23:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Nobody is going to read a word of it right now.  The one and only important message to communicate is that Wikipedia, unlike myspace, blogspot, whatever other websites this user hangs out at, is not somewhere that you can upload photos that you find on any random place on the internet.  Make that one message stand out and it gets read.  Give them lots of stuff in normal type and none of it gets read.  Someone using this form is not going to understand that they shouldn't upload copyvio images.  Having four colored boxes doesn't help either - that ensures that none get read.  But having the one most important message that if you don't read anything else you read this emphasized is about the only way to get the point across. --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 23:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Black text on blue background is defintety not going to be read. It's just another online upload form that people don't read.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 14:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I agree with Geni; users are much more likely to pay attention to contrasting templates than to the plain blue and black.  Not "fruit salad" at all - but that would be better than now.  '''[[User:WBOSITG|<span style="color: navy">weburiedoursecrets</span>]][[User talk:WBOSITG|<span style="color: navy">inthegarden</span>]]''' 14:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Deletion log link==
Currently there is a link to the deletion log ("Check the deletion log?"). As the missing image might have been on commons, should the commons log be linked as well? I added this as a trial [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AUploadtext&diff=210144615&oldid=209432205]. -- User:Docu

:If the image was on Commons, will the MediaWiki software provide the information needed for the log link to show up at the right times? --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 22:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

::The link to the Wikipedia deletion log shows up even if the deleted file was on commons, e.g.:
::*(file deleted on commons) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Prankers.jpg
::*(file deleted here) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=CarCreekLakeMap.jpg
::Now, both samples now display two links and one of the two is always the right one. -- User:Docu <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Docu|Docu]] ([[User talk:Docu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Docu|contribs]]) 05:51, 5 May 2008</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Moved back to MediaWiki namespace ==

Sorry guys. $1 doesn't work when transcluded, so it needs to be here. You'll have to use editprotected to make requests to change this, unless someone knows of a workaround to allow this. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 15:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:What is $1 used in? Can we use something else other than whatever is using $1 now? --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 08:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
::$1 is used to pass in the name of the image so we can link to the deletion logs here and at commons. Very handy feature. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 16:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I have an idea. Can just the text be moved to another page, and then transcluded into this page? --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 15:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, it would be possible to move most of the text to another page and transclude it. I've re-arranged the text a bit so this can be done quite easily if need be. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 22:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Great! Where is the best place to put the transcluded subpage? From looking at the table of transcluded text at the top of [[Wikipedia talk:Upload]] it seems that the subpages are all using the '''''Wikipedia:Upload/Uploadtext/''''' prefix. See the list pulled up by  [[Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Upload/Uploadtext]]. How about  
:::::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Upload/Uploadtext/en-main 

:::::I am just guessing though at an appropriate name and location. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 15:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Detailed fair use rationale ==

Is there a simple method to get from the [[Special:Upload]] to a preset tag with the [[Template:Non-free use rationale|detailed Non-free use rationale]]?  I know this sounds like a question for the help desk (and it is if the answer is yes), but it seemed to me that the only method to add the detailed rationale was to copy/paste it from the [[Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline|non free rationale guideline]].  Am I missing something or is this a deliberate choice among upload options presented by the wizard? [[User:Protonk|Protonk]] ([[User talk:Protonk|talk]]) 19:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

== How do we create our own pages? ==

I know of a leading female scientist in the University system, she has won several awards. She is also one of the leading women scientists in the field of Climate Change. I would to be able to organize data and hard evidence\ facts, to legally create a Wiki page.
Would appreciate some feedback! :D

Does anyone have any Idea how I go about this?

[[User:Chili287|Chili287]] ([[User talk:Chili287|talk]]) 02:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Chili

:Try [[Wikipedia:Starting an article]].  In the future, questions like this should go to [[Wikipedia:New contributors' help page]].  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 02:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Specify that an URL is useful? ==

Hi, after a discussion with another user, I have realised that specifying that a link to the webpage the image was taken from may be a good idea. This user was merely saying that the images were from Flickr, rather than linking to the page from which they were taken. Would anyone have an objection to this being included? Does anyone have an idea about how this could be done? [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 21:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me to ask for more specificity in the source parts of upload forms. Did you have a particular upload form/page in mind? Or did you mean all of the upload pages? For a table of all the upload pages and their talk pages see the top of [[Wikipedia talk:Upload]]. You might want to ask at the main discussion page, or one of the other talk pages. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 18:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== En wikipedia basic upload form ==
{{FPER|ans=yes}}
Hello. Had a few suggestions for the basic en.wiki upload form (Special:Upload). First of all, please remove the new preview feature (or move it to the bottom of the page). Its extraordinarily annoying for it to push the rest of the page down. As an uploader, I should take the time to make sure the image is correct before uploading it, and this preview feature promotes ignorance in my opinion. Second, can we copy what Commons does and make it so the form is partially filled out?

<pre>{{information
|Description    = 
|Source         = 
|Date           = 
|Author         = 
|Permission     = 
|other_versions = 
}}</pre>

-- '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color:#5A5AC5;">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</span>]]'''&nbsp;[[User_talk:Floydian|<sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub>]] 17:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
::Hello? Does anybody watch this page? Who has permissions to edit the coding? - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color:#5A5AC5;">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</span>]]'''&nbsp;[[User_talk:Floydian|<sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub>]] 15:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
:::You might try {{tl|editprotected}} as any admin can edit this page. [[User talk:Δ|ΔT <sub><sup><span style="color:darkred;">The only constant</span></sup></sub>]] 15:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
::::I figured it was something that required edits to mediawiki and not just the wikicode.... but may as well give it a shot to bring in some attention. - '''[[User:Floydian|<span style="color:#5A5AC5;">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</span>]]'''&nbsp;[[User_talk:Floydian|<sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢</sub>]] 15:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
::::: {{not done}} Try starting a discussion at [[WP:VPT]], both to gather ideas on how to do any of this (it seems Commons uses some major Javascript) and to see if consensus actually supports it. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 22:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 21 March 2019 ==

{{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Uploadtext|answered=yes}}
Please replace <code><nowiki>{{#if:$1|{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Special:Upload|<div id="contentSub2">Deletion logs: <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion">[{{fullurl:Special:Log/delete|page=Image:{{urlencode:$1}}}} Wikipedia] / [//commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&page=Image%3A{{urlencode:$1}} Commons]</span></div>}}}}</nowiki></code> with <code><nowiki>{{#if:$1|{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Special:Upload|<div id="contentSub2">Deletion logs: <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion">[{{fullurl:Special:Log/delete|page=File:{{urlencode:$1}}}} Wikipedia] / [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&page=File%3A{{urlencode:$1}} Commons]</span></div>}}}}</nowiki></code>. The "Image" namespace is now called the "File" namespace, and we use only https on Wikimedia wikis nowadays. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 00:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

:{{done}} — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 1 January 2023 ==

{{edit fully-protected|MediaWiki:Uploadtext|answered=yes}}
Please change {{!tq|If you upload content in the public domain<del>, or under the GNU Free Documentation License</del> or a Creative Commons license, that license is irrevocable}} to {{tq|If you upload content in the public domain or <ins>under</ins> a Creative Commons license, that license is irrevocable}} because [[Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#GNU_Free_Documentation_License|the GFDL has been depreciated as an accepted image license]].<span id="HouseBlaster:1672540339318:MediaWiki_talkFTTCLNUploadtext" class="FTTCmt">[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|Blaster]]<sup>[[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]</sup> 02:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)</span>
:{{done}} — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:19, 17 January 2023 (UTC)