Talk:Faggot

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== Use against trans women ==

This slur is frequently used against trans women. Therefore, I think that there should be a section of the article talking about this. [[Special:Contributions/92.0.35.8|92.0.35.8]] ([[User talk:92.0.35.8|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

:[[User:92.0.35.8|@92.0.35.8]] no [[User:Matteow101|Matteow101]] ([[User talk:Matteow101|talk]]) 21:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Matteow101|Matteow101]] Why not? [[User:JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333|JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333]] ([[User talk:JohnLaurensAnthonyRamos333|correct me if I'm wrong]]) 19:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:This slur is frequently used against all people who were amab [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/08912432221138091?journalCode=gasa because it functions] as [[gender policing]].--[[User:Reprarina|Reprarina]] ([[User talk:Reprarina|talk]]) 02:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
::I think its use a slur for trans women is notable enough on its own though. It may well be used again "all people who were AMAB", sure, but it isn't as such a "slur for AMABs". It's for gay men - and for trans women. It IS a thing. Trans women get called it for being trans woman. Nobody gets called it merely for being "AMAB" alone. [[User:StrexcorpEmployee|StrexcorpEmployee]] ([[User talk:StrexcorpEmployee|talk]]) 01:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

== Removal of "Reclamation" Section ==

Struggling to see the necessity of an entirely new section for less than a paragraph of words with three different sources dating back to 2020 and 2019. It could very well, and likely should, be shifted into the "2010s-2020s" section of use, where both the sources originate from and the point of "Reclamation" is fully emerged.

Putting it up to the Talk page for other users to discuss before any action is taken. [[User:Vilo2023|Vilo2023]] ([[User talk:Vilo2023|talk]]) 20:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

:That 21st century section is for music rather than the word in general —[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]] [[User_talk:Panamitsu|(talk)]] 22:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
::Apologies, missed that headline. Even still, the "Reclamation" section could very well be made into a section of "Use", rather than having a tab to itself. [[User:Vilo2023|Vilo2023]] ([[User talk:Vilo2023|talk]]) 16:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

== Other uses ==

I think the lead needs to indicate that in non-american countries (UK/NZ/etc), a fag or faggot refers to a cigarette (and it has several other less-common meanings). It was only a few years ago that I learnt that the American meaning is not a cigarette. I realise that there is a disambiguation, but it should be noted here that the definition is not just a slur, as it mentions in the rest of the article, and as what the article [[cunt]] says.

I added the cigarette definition to the lead and it was removed by {{U|Clovermoss}}. What do you think? —[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]] [[User_talk:Panamitsu|(talk)]] 23:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
:This article here is about a single meaning. Other meanings go on other pages instead, per [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation|Disambiguation]] standard. As the [[Wikipedia:Hatnote|Hatnote]] says:
::{{Other uses|Faggot (disambiguation)}}
:[[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 00:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
:I think it's not nessecary to include this information in the lead because we already link to the disambiguation page and this article is about the slur and not the other uses of the term. I will also note that this slur's usage is not restricted to the US. [[User:Clovermoss|Clovermoss🍀]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 00:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
::"For other uses" does not make it clear that it has other meanings. This is not like Mercury planet versus the mercury element, as they are spoken words. This is just like how "cunt" can be a compliment in New Zealand, whereas it is a slur in the US. Yes, it is not restricted to the US, but it is the US that most associates "fag" with a slur. —[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]] [[User_talk:Panamitsu|(talk)]] 00:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
:::{{tq|"For other uses" does not make it clear that it has other meanings}} – I disagree with the premise of this argument completely. Anyways, I'll wait for the input of other editors because I think we're kind of talking past each other at this point and unlikely to convince the other of why we think the way we do. [[User:Clovermoss|Clovermoss🍀]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 00:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
::::This hatnote is exactly the style recommended by [[WP:HATDAB]], our sitewide guideline for these sorts of things. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 00:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

== Other non-English languages ==
Why do we have translations to other languages (e.g. Spanish). These belong as links to the article in other language-wikis, not here. Comments before being removed? -- [[User:Alexf|Alexf]][[User talk:Alexf|(talk)]] 12:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes I think they should be removed. I don't understand why they're there. They're unsourced too. ―[[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]] [[User_talk:Panamitsu|(talk)]] 21:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::I agree. Removed. -- [[User:Alexf|Alexf]][[User talk:Alexf|(talk)]] 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

== What the fuck?? Misinfo right here ==

Queer people literally CANT say. As a gay man I am seriously fucking offended?? Delete this article. This slur is for gay men only. Not ''any'' queer individual [[Special:Contributions/176.89.144.167|176.89.144.167]] ([[User talk:176.89.144.167|talk]]) 10:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:a) There are cited sources in the article that document such uses, both in the lede and the Etymology section. b) You are seriously ''offended'' that others may be subject to a derogatory term that you would like to have applied only to your group? That's one flavour of terminology appropriation I hadn't encountered yet... --[[User:Elmidae|Elmidae]] ([[User talk:Elmidae|talk]] · [[Special:contributions/Elmidae|contribs]]) 11:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
::Nope, nah. It says right there, it is used for gay men specifically. It says it's all about masculinity. I don't even know when did it expand to the entire LGBTQ+ community but that's bullshit. [[Special:Contributions/95.10.235.107|95.10.235.107]] ([[User talk:95.10.235.107|talk]]) 12:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Sounds like you just learned something by reading a Wikipedia article, and about the [[WP:V|verifiability policy]] (rather than each of our anonymous opinions spilled on the internet) that governs content here. Unless you have [[WP:RS|high quality sources]] that disprove and contradict it, the statement will remain. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:i gave the pass to bi men so this is now invalid [[Special:Contributions/75.176.76.67|75.176.76.67]] ([[User talk:75.176.76.67|talk]]) 13:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Kinks Well Respected Man ==

No mention of the Ray Davies "A Well Respected Man"? The lines "And he likes his own backyard, and he likes his fags the best" According to Davies: fags is English slang for cigarettes, going back to the 'sticks for burning" meaning. [[User:CorsairJock|CorsairJock]] ([[User talk:CorsairJock|talk]]) 12:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

:Okay, so if it's unrelated to the slur, what does any of that have to do with the term 'faggot'? [[User:Synorem|Synorem]] ([[User talk:Synorem|talk]]) 13:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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