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<p>182.3.46.233: </p> <hr /> <div>{{WikiProject banner shell|class=c|<br /> {{WPLING|phonetics=yes}}<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==[Untitled]==<br /> This page appears to define phonetic complements as determinatives. Must rework. -[[User:Benwbrum|Ben]] 17:47, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Not as determinatives, but it's not clear, and not confined to Cuneiform. At least Japanese and Mayan also do this. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 09:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: I hope my English example in the article makes the meaning clear. [[User:Greensburger|Greensburger]] ([[User talk:Greensburger|talk]]) 04:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That helped. I expanded it a bit. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 12:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Okurigana vs. complement trivia ==<br /> <br /> Removing some incorrect trivia (found in [[Special:Permalink/680549567|680549567]]). Thanks to [[User:Criminy1|Criminy1]]!<br /> <br /> Occasionally okurigana coincide with a component of the preceding compound Chinese characters, though this is generally a coincidence, and does not mean that same character is functioning as a phonetic ''both'' in the Chinese character and in the following okurigana. Notably, 割り ''wa-ri'', as in the word 割り算 (''wa-ri-zan,'' division), the right side of 割 is 刂, and both the hiragana り and katakana リ ''ri'' derive from 利 (the katakana リ from the right side 刂), so one might think that <br /> 刂 is the phonetic complement of both [[wikt:割|割]] and [[wikt:利|利]], but in fact it functions as a ''semantic'' in both. Fundamentally, in Japanese use of Chinese characters, phonetic complements in the Chinese character correspond to the Sino-Japanese (''on'', originally Chinese) reading, while okurigana come from part of the native Japanese reading, and any time these are the same is simply a coincidence.<br /> :—Nils von Barth ([[User:Nbarth|nbarth]]) ([[User talk:Nbarth|talk]]) 01:49, 23 January 2017 (UTC)</div>

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