jmtd's feedback
Feedback on the parent page. Adapted from my mailing list post https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/02/msg00007.html
discussion page deletion
The discussion page template says "The content of discussion pages are deleted after 90 days". I wonder if that's true?
AFAICT it's merely a rule and MoinMoin won't do it automatically, since there are plenty of pages (e.g. LVM/Discussion) that are much older than 90 days but still around. -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 02:04:42
It also leads with an info-box saying "Wiki pages aren't effective place for discussion. Use the mailing-lists or IRC instead. see http://www.debian.org/support ". I disagree and think we should formalize discussions on the wiki.
The only way for discussions on the wiki to be effective is if contributors subscribe to updates on the discussion page. I agree that the best place to discuss a wiki page is on the wiki itself. -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 02:04:42
formalising discussion pages
The first obstable I had for providing feedback to your page was we haven't formalised how that should work. I think we should extend the guidelines to include creating /Discussion sub-pages for feedback, and including the /Discussion link at the top of the page. Perhaps that should go into some page template.
(I've since added this to the DefaultTemplate)
Ack -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 02:04:42
Category Proposed Deletion
We need to describe some principles about how this category should work. How long should a page be listed? How do we handle disputes?
I suggest pages should be listed for minimum 14 days (not too short so that there's enough time for interested parties to respond, but not too long). For disputes, if they can't be resolved (which is rare), the wiki admins should have final say. -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 02:04:42
We could take inspiration from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution for dispute resolution. -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 03:50:20
Content copyright
WRT content copyright: This is something I once tried hard to push for, then gave up, but I haven't lost interest in it. However, I think the following might be too strong:
- All new pages must display their copyright and license information at the bottom of the page, and must be licensed under a DFSG-compliant license. See below for how to do this.
I think it would be more acceptable of we had a default page template which included the copyright table code, OR some other clear way for a new page to have a license chosen easily.
(I've since added this to the DefaultTemplate)
Ack. I've removed the point from the guidelines list entirely, and just left the section that describes how to do it. -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 02:04:42
standard way to specify which debian version content applies
It's reasonable for the wiki to have info for non-current Debian releases in some cases (since Freexian provide LTS support, things like oldstable are still in use). But we should probably have clear conventions on how to indicate what version some content is applicable to.
Sometimes, this might be best done by having "exceptions" in a larger page for a given release (like, abreak-out box "in Etch, this is different…"); other times; it probably makes sense for there to be a separate page if the info is too different between releases.
Agreed, though I don't think anything older than oldstable should stay on the wiki. -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-02-27 02:04:42
end-goal for these suggestions
I think these should be folded into the stuff linked to from DebianWiki, which (at the moment) is too long and has too many sub-pages, IMHO; so part of tidying this up I think will need to involve removing some things as well as adding them. -- jmtd 2025-05-16 09:16:47
Other
AI-generated content
#debian-www: [18:24:08] <Jon> hmmm. we might need some kind of policy on LLMs for wiki content [18:24:20] <Jon> got some suspicions about [...]
I suggest adding a point saying "content partly or entirely generated using Artificial Intelligence (AI) is prohibited on the wiki." The rationale would be along the same lines as forums.d.n: https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=159006 -- MaythamAlsudany 2025-03-04 00:18:44