Talk:Michael Ancram

Name

I corrected the line:

In 2001 he stood against Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Portillo, Kenneth Clarke and David Davies for the party leadership...

The other Conservative who stood against Ancram and IDS was David Davis (The MP for Haltemprice & Howden) and not David Davies, the AM for Monmouth.

hoshie

Well caught! --rbrwr

Does he still go by "Michael Ancram," or is he now called "Michael Lothian" or some such thing? -- Emsworth 22:11, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There's been no change when his name has been reported in the media since the death of his father AFAIK. Mintguy (T) 22:21, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I believe he's still going by "Michael Ancram", since he's so well known by that name. (He has no sons, so there's no problem with the heir wanting to use "Earl of Ancram" as a courtesy title.) A shame, I think. If the Tories get into power soon, he'd be the first Marquess in a Cabinet in a while, though, I should think, which would be nice. Proteus (Talk) 22:25, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yeah; since Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 5th Marquess of Salisbury under Harold Macmillan, in fact. At least, that's what I could discern... ugen64 02:58, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lord Cranborne (now 7th Marquess of Salisbury) was in Major's cabinet, but not yet a marquess. john k 19:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

According to the Parliament's official biography, his name is Michael Kerr, not Michael Ancram. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 09:59, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be fitting to move the article to his real name Michael Kerr 13th Marquess of Lothian with redirects from Michael Ancram. Anderson Rawls (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Children

I saw mentioned earlier on this page that Ancram (Kerr? Lothian?) has no sons; I would imagine he's past that point in his life, so does this indicate the marquessate will die with him twenty-thirty years down the line? Wally 15:29, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No. There are plenty of other heirs, including Lord Lothian's brother and that brother's sons. Proteus (Talk) 15:34, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

True, Lord Ralph has 3 teenage sons. Assuming good health it does mean that there probably won't be an Earl of Ancram or Lord Newbottle for a few decades.Alci12 14:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I've a memory of reading an interview with/on Ancram saying he dropped using his title while a lawyer as the Judges naturally called him m'lord and he replied back in the same manner. He felt it confusing to the jury and not helping his career. Sadly I can't find anything to back this up - can anyone remember the same infomation as I won't add it without some support. Alci12 14:40, 28 September 2005

That would be a nice addition to the article. Try these links:

• http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/06/22/ntory222.xml
• http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,511873,00.html

JRawle (Talk) 22:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I have added the citation plus slightly softened the remaks about him using his title. He uses his maquisate much as he used the 'earldom' never professionally but occasionally socially.Alci12 10:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Genealogy

Michael Ancram Ker is one of my Distant Cousins. I just checked my Family Tree. The First Ker was John Ker of Selkirk (d. 1357). Ker is the historical true Surname. The reason for 2 r's on Ker surname is that the Ker Family had a Fued back in the 1400's and my side of the Duke's of Roxburgh fought for England, while others in the family fought for Scotland's sovereignty and the King James IV put a extra "r" to disgrace them. The Kerr name is still used to this date. PeterAKer

Birthplace

The article seems to contradict itself. At one point of the article it states that he was born in London yet in another it states that he was born in Scotland. Please correct the page.

84.67.246.156 (talk) 18:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party?

The article currently includes the unsourced statement that he was Deputy Leader from 2001 to 2005, but The Telegraph says that "Neither Michael Howard nor Iain Duncan Smith had [a deputy]". Is there a source available that can support the statement? If not I will remove the references to Deputy Leader. Road Wizard (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes - e.g. [1] or [2]. Timrollpickering 13:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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