Talk:Jason

The Corinthians kill Medea's children's

The other versions report that Corinthians killed the children at the temple of Hera. Parmeniscus, a pupil of Aristarchus: The women of Corinth, unwilling to be ruled by a foreigner and a witch, plotted against [Medea] and killed her adopted children, seven boys and seven girls. When attacked, the children fled to the temple of Hera Akraia and sat before it. The Corinthians still did not spare them but killed them all at the altar. A plague affected the city and many bodies were destroyed by sickness; when they consulted the oracles, the god pronounced that the pollution of Medea's children must be appeased. Therefore every year among the Corinthians until our own times, seven boys and seven girls of noblest parents must spend a year in the goddess' sanctuary and with sacrifices appease the anger of [Medea's adopted children] and the resulting rage of the goddess. The version of Creophylus: Medea, having finished her time in Corinth, is said to have poisoned Creon, the city's ruler. Afraid of his friends and relatives, she fled to Athens, but because her sons were young and could not accompany her, she sat them by the altar of Hera Akraia, thinking their father would see to their safety. But Creon's kinsmen killed them and gave the explanation that Medea killed not only Creon but also her own children. The untrue story that Medea murdered the children is one such rationalization, found not only in Creophylus but more explicitly in Parmeniscus, who reported that the Corinthians paid Euripides five talents to make Medea the murderess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.28.157 (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The stories about Мedea

There are a lot of stories about Мedea, the most common details that are mentioned in those stories were as follows: Medea falls in love with Jason, a prince sent to Colchis by his uncle Pelias to gain her kingdom's greatest treasure, the Golden Fleece, from her father Aeetes. He swears love to her and she gives him the potions, amulets and charms necessary to defeat the dragon, fire-breathing bulls and earth-born soldiers that guard the Fleece. The Fleece won, Jason and Medea steal away from Colchis. Back in Iolcos, Jason asks Medea to use her magical powers to rejuvenate his aging father, Aeson. She does so successfully, and then promises similar benefits to Jason's tyrannical uncle Pelias: however, she deliberately neglects to prepare the potions correctly, and having been stabbed by his daughters on Medea's orders, Pelias dies. Pursued by his son Acastus, Jason and Medea flee to Corinth, where they live for some years under the protection of King Creon. Eventually, Jason abandons Medea to marry Creusa, Creon's daughter. Furious, Medea murders Creusa, and embracing his daughter, Creon is also killed. Medea kills their two young sons and escapes - in the tragedies of Euripides and Seneca, by taking advantage of her divine origins and summoning a dragon drawn chariot. Another tradition tells of Medea, described as "Corinthian", which restores to her the original characteristics of queen, priestess and embodiment of the goddess in a city ruled by her. In a mythical story of the city of Corinth it is said that Medea was the lawful queen of the city. According to this tradition Aeetes, as son of Helios, has a right of sovereignty over Corinth. Under this law Medea, as granddaughter of Helios, is called by the Corinthians themselves to rule as queen over the city, since the last Corinthian king did not leave heirs. However, it is Medea, that, as queen, makes her consort Jason king This mythical story of the enthronement of Jason at Corinth coincides with the representation of the hierarchical structure of societies, where the queen is in fact the incarnation of the goddess, who rules accompanied by the king, the hero. Medea tried to make the children immortal and the children died. Due to the death of his children, Jason left Medea. In the versions of the story that continue beyond this point, she often seeks sanctuary with King Ageus. Having married Ageus, she is driven out of Athens after an unsuccessful plot to poison his son Theseus. In other the story: Medea flies to Italy, where she notably taught locals her healing arts. Тhere it got the name Angitia. Medea is said to have taught the Marsi to cure fevers and snakebites. Finally, she is described as reconciling with Jason and restoring her father to the throne and helping her husband Jason, to conquer more kingdoms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.220.218.198 (talk) 18:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Popular Culture Reference

The They Might Be Giant's song "Birdhouse In Your Soul" references Jason and the Argonauts: "There's a picture opposite me Of my primitive ancestry Which stood on rocky shores and kept the beaches shipwreck free Though I respect that a lot I'd be fired if that were my job After killing Jason off and countless screaming Argonauts" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zryanne (talk • contribs) 19:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 1 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Arguments for and against with policy and non-policy based reasoning appear on sides of support and opposition here. On the supporting side, the main argument appears to be that the current title would leave a reader feeling astonished, while the opposition appears to center around the common name and the low number of article page views. I cannot find consensus that the page should be moved from the current title, nor that the page belongs at the current title. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 15:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Jason → Template:No redirect – Though a well-known mythological Greek hero, I don't believe this is the clear primary topic, as this is a common "regular name", similar to James or John (which are dab pages). Along with this move, I would propose either Jason (disambiguation) page be moved here, or Jason (given name) be moved here. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment Do you have something more than a gut feeling? What could rival it for primary topic status? I checked this and John and James are much more common names than Jason. Killuminator (talk) 19:54, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

My original thoughts were that Jason (given name) may be primary than this topic, but perhaps this is incorrect and against the current titling policy. Natg 19 (talk) 23:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, paired with Jason (disambiguation) → Jason. There are 27 entries listed upon the Jason (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the renown of this character from Greek mythology overwhelms the combined notability of the remaining 26 entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. Orchastrattor (talk) 01:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Seems pointless—neither of the other two pages should be moved to this title, as that would create more ambiguity, not less; and this title doesn't seem to be causing confusion—if people land on the wrong page, hatnotes direct them appropriately. And while this proposed move may or may not be part of the trend, I find it annoying that such moves are always proposed for the historical/mythological subjects who have tons of namesakes, as though editors felt peeved/embarrassed to admit the origin of various names, or just can't stand the idea that the original subject is the primary topic, or that the primary topic is a historical/mythological figure. It's a solution in search of a problem. P Aculeius (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose As the primary topic for only "Jason", although I do think Jason Voorhees should be added directly to the hatnote of the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
• support per Roman Spinner, and add Jason Vorhees to the disambiguation page per Zxcvbnm -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 11:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per @Zxcvbnm. I'll add that many if not most of the pages on the disambiguation page are obviously about things named after the Greek hero. Killuminator (talk) 22:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. This article averages around a thousand views a day. There aren't any other mononymous "Jason" articles on Wikipedia that are especially popular, and both Jason (disambiguation) and Jason (given name) aren't viewed super often either. I don't believe the proposal would be an improvement. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nohomersryan. Srnec (talk) 22:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on the basis of the pageviews. – Michael Aurel (talk) 21:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support the given name and other uses are common enough by common usage for there to be no primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment after opening this MR, I noticed that many "singular" names like this do have a historical figure at the basename, e.g. David, Noah, Joshua. Not sure if this should apply to this character or not (i.e. keep the status quo - don't move), or if there is a specific article standard, as the articles I mentioned in the MR (John and James) are dab pages, and Joseph and Daniel are articles about the given name. Natg 19 (talk) 17:51, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Funnily enough, I was WP:ASTONISHed when I spotted this the other day. Notable as the Greek hero is, the name is just far too common for him to be primary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: While this RFC has seen significant comment there is no current consensus regarding whether this figure is the primary topic; relisting once in order to give some chance of a consensus emerging. BilledMammal (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:ASTONISH. Jason is far better known as a common name in English than an ancient Greek figure. We don't even make much better-known figures like Mary, mother of Jesus primary topic. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2025

Template:Edit semi-protected CHANGE FIRST APPEARANCE TO PINDAR’S PYTHIAN ODES It lists the first appearance of Jason in the Augonautica. This is false. Jason is the subject of the poem Pythia 4 (462 BC) by Pindar: “She spoke in this way to the heroes who sailed with the warrior Jason” Source: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0162%3Abook%3DP.%3Apoem%3D4

Pindar’s poem (and Euripides’ Medea) predates the Aurgonautica by 200 years. 76.169.9.62 (talk) 07:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Removed, as the Argonautica of course isn't the earliest source for him. That said, Pindar isn't the first source for him either, as at least the Catalogue and Odyssey mention him. – Michael Aurel (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2025 (UTC)