Wiki143:Articles for deletion/101 (Robot)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Please defer to the respective article talk page(s) to resolve the question of merging. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 18:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

101 (Robot)

I am nominating all the articles in the "Category:Robot Wars competitors". They are all about individual contestant robots in Robot Wars (all, I think, are from the UK series), an undoubtedly notable TV programme. My contention, though, is that the robots themselves are no more notable than competitors in other game shows; ie unless they achieved significant fame outside of the framework of the show (eg Ken Jennings), they are not in themselves notable. None of them, as far as I know, is known to the average "man on the street", who had not watched the show; this is one acid test of their notability. I am sorry there are so many of them; if they are all deleted, obviously, I will nominate the category for deletion too. Most of the articles have not been touched for months; Hypno-Disc, one of the more complete articles, was last seriously edited in April and May. Most if not all have {{stub}}, {{wikify}}, {{verify}} and other such tags on them, again, many for many months. I can see a possibility of creating a Winners of Robot Wars UK article, with some content merged from the winners articles, but apart from that, I am not sure what a merge would achieve. Accordingly, I regretably (people have put a lot of effort into these articles, which, if I get my way, will in a sense have gone to waste) have to urge people to vote delete.

The articles that are being nominated are:

Batmanand | Talk 23:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Delete all as per nom. Robocruft. The creators can always get their own website or own wiki if they want to save their work. Bwithh 23:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete all as per Batmanand. -- Kjkolb 00:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Transwiki Probably not notable enough for Wikipedia (but I will leave that for others to decide), however they could be transwikied to WikiKnowledge. I have no intention of coping all those articles over, however anyone else is welcome to if they wish. It would be a shame to waste all this work. Gerard Foley 00:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete all VOIP. Danny Lilithborne 01:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep some. As with Deadblow and it's subsequent AFD nom, I do not feel every combat robot should have a place in Wikipedia. However, champion or extremely popular robots should have a place. As per the Robot Wars article, Roadblock, Chaos 2, Razer, Tornado, and Typhoon 2 were all UK Robot Wars champions (and in the case of Razer, revolutionary in combat robot design as well as a Battlebots Rumble champion), and would thus be notable enough. Hypno-Disc and Pussycat were also at the high end of popularity and success and may also have a place. Arenacale 03:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Also of note is that some robots were made into toys. Arenacale 03:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge the champions into Winners of Robot Wars UK per nom, with redirects, and possibly include a handful of the more notable non-champions (per Arenacale) in a separate section within the article. Delete the rest. Seb Patrick 07:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge most notable bots to Winners of Robot Wars UK per nom. Please note that some, if not many of the articles may contain copyright violations from this fan site (Internet Archive copy, original site no longer online).--Drat (Talk) 08:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge to Winners of Robot Wars UK or List of Robot Wars competitors. The Battle Summaries should Die In A Fire. -- GWO
Merge to suitable entry as suggested above. Definitely don't delete, the reason I am here is because I came to look up the robot "Roadblock" after it came up in conversation in a forum, so it's entry here has proven useful.--Panzerb0y 16:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Smerge all to List of Robot Wars competitors, or suchlike, with redirects. Wikipedia is not a TV review site, so a lot of the synopses will have to be trimmed. Stifle (talk) 15:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete all. Treebark (talk) 15:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Saveall. this sets a dangerous prescident that whole catagories of pages can be deleted. pelpe have spent hours working on these pages and compiling these pages some articles have even deen through mediation and arbitration to get them in to the shape they are in at the moment.PLEASE SAVE ALL THE HARD WORK AND SAVE THESE PAGES.--Lucy-marie 14:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. In the case of some of these pages though, people have simply copy/pasted the hard work of whoever owned that fansite I linked earlier.--Drat (Talk) 15:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment Will those supporting merge please specify exactly which articles should be merged ("most notable bots" is absolutely no help at all), otherwise, if I was closing the AfD and no-one seemed to have any idea which were worth merging, would be to delete them all and ask anyone who was genuinely interested in merging some of the articles to contact me to restore them into userspace. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 08:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete all, non-notable Fancruft. A careful merge of a few of these pages into a broader article per nom might work, but there's no need for so much intricate detail on every single competitor from a cult UK tv show. Battle summaries are especially unnecessary. Dbratton 04:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I personally have no idea which of these robots are "notable" enough to be included in a merge, and will leave that discussion to those who follow the show. Dbratton 04:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

:Relisting to seek clearer consensus. - brenneman ^{L} 10:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge and create per GWO. The existence of Roadblock, Chaos 2, Razer, Hypno-Disc, and Tornado (and whichever one it was that pioneered SRIMEC) should be acknowledged but not as individual articles. MLA 11:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Save All. All thses pages should be saved as it prevents a slippery slope from coming into effect. If these pages are deleted then t.v shows which are only verifiable by watching the the shows could be justifyably put up for deletion. I am well aware that some people on wikipedia do not believe that robots deserve whole pages on wikipedia as they are not real characters and have no backgorund. If this tact is followed then it is consevable that all fictitious characters on wikipedia should be delted as they have no real background. so I urge you to save all these pages and the hard work that went in to them to be created.--Lucy-marie 12:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I'm not sure that the slippery slope leads to the Robot Wars article itself. A TV program is notable and verifiable by more than just it's existence and people watching it. The component parts of a program may or may not be notable, in this case I and some other editors do not think they are notable enough for their own article but they might be notable enough to have a collated article. However, the slippery slope could easily lead to George Francis (Robot Wars). The work so far is not currently wasted as it wouldn't be too hard to copy the information as it is now (prior to any deletion/merge) and take it to a new website or wiki. MLA 13:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep Some some of the robots are signifcant and notable in robot battle competition while the rest of the also ran competitors can be merged into the appropriate Robot Wars or Battlebots article. -- Whpq 13:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge per nom. It's a good show but I don't see the reason we need articles for all the robots. Whispering 15:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm hoping to do some major work to the Robot Wars articles on here over the summer, but I think the best option with the incredibly jumbled competitor articles is to merge Roadblock, Panic Attack, Chaos 2, Razer, Tornado and Typhoon 2 into Winners of Robot Wars UK, merge other definitely notable but perhaps less successful robots such as Hypno-Disc (first fly wheel weapon, second in series 4) and Diotoir (covered in fur - 'nuff said!) into another article (Notable Competitors on Robot Wars UK, perhaps) and to delete anything that remains, such as Derek. CountdownCrispy 16:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge into Competitors on Robot Wars UK Afterwards, it is up to the editors of that page to determine which robots should remain, and which should be deleted. (Perhaps a table of all robots by series might be appropriate.) It might be necessary to create a couple of pages in the future, but for ease of closing this debate, I would suggest merging into a single page. Bluap 18:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep some - per Whpq. Also, these mass deletions are getting out of hand. There's a heck of lot of difference between Razer and Psychosprout.--Nydas 18:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep all until broken into smaller AfDs. The winners of the competitions are certainly notable, but I believe that some non-champions would also qualify. I really despise AfDs with a jillion articles nominated at the same time when it's very clearly obvious that the articles are different from each other and that some of the articles are much more notable than others. -- Kicking222 22:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comment- If no clear concensus is reached on what to do with these pages, I think they should remain and should not be put back through this cycle again as they were when no concensus was reached last time.--Lucy-marie 22:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep all, such a blanket deletion is not suitable in this case. Minor stuff should probably be merged into one article in any case, but this should be worked out on talk pages, not AFD. zoney ♣ talk 20:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Merge to Competitors on Robot Wars UK. They cannot really be considered ficticious characters as the robots were the cummulation many hours work by engineers and enthusiasts to take part in a nationally know competition that did give a degree of recognition in their field. Deletion would be to belittle the hard work of a competitor. Their name and acheivement/final ranking should be recorded and also links to the builders site (if they have one), but just one page should be sufficiant. The round by round ranking is probably unnessecary. Also, if it is copied&pasted from a fansite, does that not have potential copyright/attributation implications? KevinCarmody 02:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Keep Some, merge others. I figured this would happen. I reccomend the champions be kept in their own articles, but lots of others could be merged into a few lists (i.e. List of Robot Wars Finalists, List of Robot Wars Semi-Finalists) Lenin & McCarthy 16:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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