Wiki143:Suspected sock puppets/Rgulerdem

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User:Rgulerdem

I suspect this user to be the puppeteer of User:Mokotok and/or User:Light&Truth because:

Evidence

• The two suspected Sockpuppets both edit almost exclusively on the Fethullah Gülen article. User:Rgulerdem is a long-time editor of this article, that has a bad history[1] of insults and edit warring.
• The first edit of both suspected sockpuppets [2] [3] was removing a {{NOPV}} tag from that article. Both did that repeatedly, one was blocked for doing so for 24h. User:Rgulerdem pioneered this approach [4] [5] but subsequently laid low, adding only relatively well-beahved commentary,
• The 2 suspected sockpuppets subsequently embarked on a spree of insult"I have no time to play with kids. Be mature Netscott. Or go and play with the people of your IQ level :) The work is in progress and no tag is needed"[6] or "The NPOV tag is not needed because you ruined the whole article as you wished still crying. You are vandalizing the article still crying. You are hiding the facts and truth and pretending like you are trying to put it into NPOV form. It is so bad man, it is so bad."[7] [8] and a smear campaign of sorts [9] [10] [11] These are just examples. Basically 90% of their contributions have had at least borderline insulting character.
• The 3 share the same spelling errors (Can't write Gülen with an Umlaut, have problems with using the past tense of 'being biased', and spell intelligent with one "L" only[12] - (use the browser search function))
• The accounts for the 2 puppets were established within days of one another, and have edited the same article (with some pro-forma spelling corrections on random articles). They were both opened at at time when Rgulerdem had reason to believe that he was facing opposition at the English Gülen article (because editing there picked up after some period of relative inactivity), and his being blocked from the Turkish WP for meddling with their Gülen article.
• the initial user pages of User:Rgulerdem[13] and User:Mokotok[14] look very much alike.

Comments

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• Azate, in my opinion this case merits a WP:RFCU. From my own previous exprience of editing in regards to User:Rgulerdem, I 100% agree with you that this line The NPOV tag is not needed because you ruined the whole article as you wished still crying. You are vandalizing the article still crying. is virtually identical to previous phrases/expressions he's said. User:Rgulerdem has strong motivations to not edit under his own user name (and war with it) due to the fact that he is currently under mentorship by User:Johntex after having had an indefinite block lifted from him. Despite his mentorship if Resid Gulerdem behaves as he did on Wikipedia:Wikiethics where he owned the project and was frequently highly disruptive then he'll be subject to reinstatement of his indefinite block. Netscott 23:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• You are not the only one. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Brenneman#Possible_sock_puppet_from_User:Rgulerdem
• I am a student and friend of Mr. Gulerdem. The evidences provided above is meaningless. I am not suckpuppet of anyone else. Light&Truth 08:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• This is ridiculous. Resid is one of the greatest scientist I have ever met and a true genius. We have been long friends. He introduced me to this project. That is the only connection between us. The evidences you provided worthless to mention. (We are all living in US and do not worry about writing Gulen in its original form. Do you have a 'u character with two dots' on your keyboard?) Well, you may expect some other people also joining to the discussion. You will not be able to hide the facts anymore. Bad for you... Mokotok 09:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's see: ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜüüüüüüüü. Yes, I appear to have this 'u character with two dots'. Azate 09:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I am a part of the Üü club too! On keyboards without a given character the easiest way to produce it is by copying and pasting it .. you've just got to find a web-site that has the needed character.  :-) Netscott 11:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Another thing that caught my attention is Light&Truth wrote "Wellcome" in his user page and User:Rgulerdem wrote "wellcome" in Fethullah Gulen's discussion page.Caspase 12:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• In case this is useful, here[15][16] is some evidence rgulerdem has been using 128.255.45.117 and 216.248.122.150. -- noosphere 20:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• All 3 have been indef blocked. Case closed. Unblocked again. Azate 22:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Response

I hope this action of admin User:Cyde makes it clear that how and admin can misuse his privileges irresponsibly. He did that before and even without waiting the result he blocked my account indefinitely again now. Thanks for the NSLE that he unblocked my account and I am able to write this response. I leave the decision about admin User:Cyde's action and his ideological and personal motivations to the community. He is looking for an opportunity to unblock me indefinitely again. I will try to explain what is happening, I hope I can make the facts clear:

• I already quitted from the discussion of the article Fethullah Gulen because I was really tired of unfruitful discussions. And I did that long before these messages are posted. I do not need suckpopets support in an discussion that I am absent.
• The editor User:Azate is continuously
  • censoring the facts,
  • vandalizing by blanking the useful information from the article,
  • categorizing the article with his POV, and
  • inserting incorrect statements into the article.
• I do not like to get into these kind of childish games as he is doing, but I think I need to do this: User: Azate is most likely User:Baroqqque, who were using IP address User:70.22.220.53 and derivative of it before. He was causing the same kind of problems and edit wars before as well. It is important to realize that because he has self-contradicting remarks. He both claims that 'he's on home turf at the article', and also he is new to the discussion. His references to the past diffs shows that he has well aware of the history of this article. He had to leave because of his violations and irresponsible actions.
• I would like to ask the CheckUser please check if these two guys has something to do with User:Netscott simply because
  • they are insisting on the same tag, the same way on this article,
  • both are violating the 3RR rule (User:Netscott somehow could manage to hide from block though), and
  • supporting each other.
• Now User:Azate's claims are not serious and I cannot find an argument to answer. One of them answered by User:Mokotok. He is tragicomically using the word 'hi' as an evidence. It is very common expression. I do not know how many else had the same. In fact, if you check his page, he starts with the same greetings too. He changed it today. I hope I do not need to prove him that, I actually am different from him. We (User:Azate and me) are both Turkish as well as User:Light&Truth and User:Mokotok. So it should be understandable that we may have common mistakes and common way of using English.

I inform the people around me about the project and encourage them to contribute. Two of these guys, who are actually a couple living at the next door, joined to the discussion of the article. (I leave it to User:Azate or User:Netscott to figure out who is the boss at home). They contributed independent from this article as well and are planning to continue to contribute in their area of specializations (history and biochemistry). I hope that is fine to encourage people to contribute to Wikipedia. I will, however, won't be able to edit for a long time, because I lost so much time here and I am tired of unfruitful discussions, I need some rest. The users User:Light&Truth and User:Mokotok (except once) did not violate Wikipedia rules, and in that sense too, this complaint is not meaningful. Thanks Resid Gulerdem 02:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

RFCU result in

Confirmed. They are all the same person [17]

Case closed: Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 18:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)