Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Hadouken

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Tyrenius 01:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hadouken

Originally, this article (as well as the others I'm nominating) was supposed to redirect to Street Fighter (series), which I think is what it should remain. However, someone wrote articles, and while I don't doubt their good faith, it opened the door to all sorts of fancruft, and when you trim it all out, there's not much of an article left. I believe they should go back to simply redirecting to Street Fighter (series), rather than simply deleting them. Danny Lilithborne 21:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages:

• Shoryuken
• Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku

• Delete May seem important and notable to a lot of people (including me), it just ain't encyclopedic. It is from a fairly simple arcade game from the 90's - if all games must be documented here with such level of detail, geeh...

• Keep Why delete it? Some people may have questions on what some moves do. Besides, you don't see people deleting Super Mario, and God knows how long that's been around. Don't hate on Ryu and Ken's moveset. And I don't say this because I wrote one of these pages. I say it because I'm actually contributing useful knowledge. In any case, you're talking Street Fighter 1, which was simple, unlike masterpieces like Street Fighter 3/Alpha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slammenhousa (talk • contribs)
  • Comment Street Fighter (series) is not Street Fighter (video game). And you're wrong. Wikipedia is not a strategy guide. You go to GameFAQs to find out how to use moves like Shoryuken; the information is not notable enough for an all-purpose encyclopedia. Worse, the articles as they were before I edited them were extremely badly written and chock full of fancruft, mostly related to the whole "Goutetsu-ryu Ansatsuken" debacle. After editing out all the crufty nonsense, there's really not enough information that warrants an article. (And as for that last remark, don't get me started on the whole debate of whether SF3 is even worth playing.) Danny Lilithborne 00:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Again, I could easily comment on this. If Wikipedia's not a strategy guide, then how come there's a whole mess on video game characters having THEIR own web pages? Super Mario, Sonic...MEGAMAN! Geez, we might as well just give the ghosts off Pac-Man their own page. What I'm trying to say here is that SOME people actually do care about what some moves do. And how the things done are done. GameFAQs won't ALWAYS give an explanation, ya know.

And Street Fighter 3 is highly regarded as one of the best Street Fighter games of all time. 3rd Strike is rated 2nd on the FAQ pages of the Arcade section of GameFAQs, and most of the reviews were positive. Therefore, any person would disagree with you on the debate of SF3's playability because more people like it than dislike it.

In any case, this is rather irrelevant. My point is, a lot of video game moves have their own sections. And yet you only strive to delete these. For what reason?--Slammenhousa 15:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Yeah. No comment on the SF3 debate (parries suck ;). Anyway, my point still stands. Mario and Sonic have their own sections; are there sections for the Mario Jump and Sonic Spindash? Danny Lilithborne 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment So because no one's made an article this level deep in another video game series, we should take it away from here? That's like saying "we don't have Bob Smith vs State of Arkansas, so we should delete Marbury vs Madison and Plessy vs Ferguson." Liu Bei 03:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Not for those sections, but almost all of Mario's items have sections, and Chaos Control's got it's own little corner. So, in a sense, yeah, there are.--Slammenhousa 15:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - What do Ken and Ryu order when at the Take Away? Hadouken Chips - Hahnchen 15:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not that convinced about the Hurricane Kick or Dragon punch articles though. But Hadouken seems to have found itself in other places in pop culture outside of Street Fighter. - Hahnchen 15:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - The nominator might want to take a look at these articles as well, Shun Goku Satsu and Satsui no Hadou. I actually think the hadouken is more notable than these 2, so you might want to put them up. - Hahnchen 20:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I plan to, but I'm waiting to see what the result of this AfD is first. Danny Lilithborne 22:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete or Merge, if a suitable merge location is found (Ansatsuken was ultimately deleted). There simply isn't any real meat here. Nifboy 20:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Smerge to a list of Street Fighter moves, or delete, per Nifboy. Stifle (talk) 21:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, especially Shoryuken and Hadoken. These concepts are in nearly every anime series made and multiple other video games (Megaman X series for one). The articles show there is a wealth of information on the moves regarding their use and history, and I certainly learned more about the Street Fighter continuity than the main article. Liu Bei 03:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep Hadoken: The Hadoken is well known in gaming circles. I have no opinion either way on the other two articles. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Hadouken and Shoryuken - Detail noteworthy concepts of the Street Fighter francise that have cross-polinated to other video games, comics, and animation.
• Weaker Keep Tatsumaki Senpuukakyu - this concept has enjoyed less success in cross-polination, but does contain a fair amount of information. - CNichols 22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC) & CNichols 22:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Hadoken and Shoryuken Pages - Somebody is being a freaking hater because there are many other video game, oops excuse me..."series" characters that are not nominated for deletion and pretty much contain the same comment, so to all those nominating this page for deletion can just shove it. And I'll have you to know that I contributed greatly to the information on the nominated articles, so if you delete it I'll just re-post it. So why don't you just stop hating and leave the page alone... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbanity (talk • contribs) 10:53, May 23, 2006
  • Comment Well, this pretty much sounds like he's stating his intent to vandalize Wikipedia, doesn't it? It doesn't look like the vote's going my way, even though I've stated my reasons very clearly. You're not helping yourself. If these pages do get deleted, they should be protected as well. Danny Lilithborne 19:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
    • CommentWell, must be nice to delete a page, even though your favorite website is Shoryuken.com, although the definition on page page is the same definition in the article on Wikipedia Click here for the reference, That same definition gave you a little insight on what Shoryuken is, but that doesn't matter to you now does it? Man what a loser, and I'M NOT TRYING TO VANDALIZE WIKIPEDIA!!! Just do me a favor a leave those articles alone...--Urbanity 18:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)Urbanity
• HA-DO-KEN! Keep. Far too notable to be deleted or merged. - Corbin ^{Be excellent} 02:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Also notable as a meme. - Corbin ^{Be excellent} 07:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above comments. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The hadoken has become notable even outside the Street Fighter games, so it's reasonable for it to have a separate article. Factitious 23:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Absolutely Keep. All three of the articles. The Hadou-Ken, ShoryuKen, and the Tatsumaki Senpukyaku are pop culture. The Fireball, Dragon Punch, and Hurricane kick are staples in fighting games. And virtually any gamer alive knows about them one way or another. I'm not able to verify one way or another whether or not the information given in these articles is fan created, but I do know that there is a lot of information available closer to the source (Japan) that has not and probably will not ever be released officially here. How many Final Fantasy items are never released in the US. They don't believe there is a viable market here and more than likely wouldn't send it over here anyway. The point is I can't perfectly verify all of the information but I can't discount it either. Leave them up. They have viable info. I personally have owned every Street Fighter Strategy guide and most of the official art books that have been released stateside foremost on that list is the Eternal Challenge book and the content of these articles is in line with what is found there. Shun Goku Satsu and Satsui no Hadou being more recent additions to the franchise are a little more debatable but even they are relavent as they are pieces of the characters. Shun Goku Satsu has been parodied and copied all over the game world and Satsu no Hadou is one of Street Fighter's two takes on the Light side and Dark Side of the force (the other being Psycho Power and Soul Power). Perhaps it should be added to a pop culture references to Star Wars article or something. At the least the last two should be merged with Akuma and Ryu. Honestly Shun Goku Satsu and Satsui no Hadou should've been integrated with Goutetsu-Ryu Ansatsuken which would've made sense and made the article more substantial negating any need to delete it. But I've said my peace, please leave these articles be. Rayfire 19:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.