Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Amiga virtual machine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was redirect to Motorola 680x0. I gather from this discussion that the content has already been merged. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Amiga virtual machine

I have refactored long comments to the talk page to reduce the amount of text someone reading through the day's AFDs must scroll through. This is not an assertion that those comments were somehow less valuable or important. Please post long comments there, while posting short delete/keep recommendations here. No delete/keeps have been removed from this page. Stifle (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment to this operation of censorship

Ubelivable behaviuor! Congratulations! You have just deleted all my argumentations here that were well written and documented forcing people to read another page to read my arguments, so people who must vote to keep the article have nothing to read directly about WHY to keep it.

I hope these are not the methods of all moderators in Wikipedia, i.e. to delete testimony!

I don't want to comment more or I will start being offensive about these methods.

But:

I warn you mr.Stifle. Delete any other argumentation from mine and I will start a Request of Arbitration versus you.

Sincerely,

--Raffaele Megabyte 02:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

An Amiga emulator is no more a Virtual machine then any other emulator. Should we have pages for NES virtual machine, Mac virtual machine, etc...? I believe the topics in this article is sufficiently covered by Amiga emulation and WinUAE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anss123 (talk • contribs)

• Keep An emulator is just a program running into an host machine. Programs run by the emulator are considered alien by the hosting machine.

Amiga Virtual Machines create a series of Hardware Abstraction Layers between the hosting machine hardware, and the software, and let it run as if it was in the original Amiga environment.

Often Amiga VM are associated with emulators engines and/or code interpreters, but this fact can't let an Amiga VM be considered as like as a merely simple emulator. AVM just could be integrated with emulators to obtain new results with limited re-use of existing software solutions.

There are at least 4 Amiga Virtual machine known. Petunia from AmigaOS 4.0, ABOX from MorphOS, Amithlon as stand alone product and Amiga Anywhere as standalone product. Read more about these products into the article itself.

Also I remember to all readers that the Amiga world it is evolving and different solutions are considered by different people developing Amiga. In the future more about virtualization will take place into Amiga world, so more phenomena will emerge and will deserve Wikipedia articles.

This is a summary of all my testimony to let this article be kept alive, and a summary of all my comments to detractors of Amiga. Hope that at least this summary will be let to stay finally without receiving any censorship.

--Raffaele Megabyte 02:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Keep with reserve Strong delete (this is getting more and more absurd). This looks life a strange (and OR) "parroting" of things like the JVM, which are actually intended to be virtual machines, and never were real hardware. "Write once, run anywhere" was never a stated goal for Amiga Motorola 680x0 executable programs, and the term "AVM" itself is not attested at all. Advice that the content of the "Bytecodes" section (by the way, again, nobody ever called M68k instructions byte-code before, and they most definitely are not) be merged into Motorola 680x0, as it may contain useful information about the M68k instruction set. LjL 19:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Follow-up: I've done the above (merging into Motorola 680x0), as well as putting some content into Amiga emulation as well. Please review my edits! LjL 19:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep If you don't personally like Amiga Virtual Machines then that is fine but that is no reason to damage wikipedia by removing a clearly written article. To Mr. LjL, your complaint is false as Macintosh Virtual Machines and PC Virtual Machines are already listed in various other parts of the wikipedia such as Comparison_of_virtual_machines. Perhaps you feel that Java inc. owns the term "Virtual Machine". It does not. Furthermore the term "Virtual Machine" is synonymous with "Emulator". The trouble is that people who type in the phrase "Emulator" are usually looking for games, while people who type in "Virtual Machine" are typically searching for some type of serious application to perform work. Thus 2 different articles are needed, each with its own clear focus. Also if you were to discriminate against PC, Mac, Amiga virtual machines and delete them then you would also have to delete Java Virtual Machine. It sounds like your complaint is an attempt to give Java a Wikipedia monopoly. There are many types of virtual machines in the world today and they are ALL worthy of wikipedia articles.--StoneGiant 07:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: This is this user's 21st edit. Stifle (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I'm sorry but I cannot find anything in this article that violates any rules. It is NPOV, uses proper English etc. I wish it had more meat but I am sure someone will expand it. I agree with StoneGiant that Sun does not own the concept of Virtual Machine. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for rich corporations. Opensource free virtual machines are deserving of articles just as much as any other.--4.231.152.76 09:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

  This recommendation is likely to be discounted as it comes from an unregistered user. Stifle (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I'll show you why This invoice in wikipedia should be to stay.

(long comment refactored to talk page by Stifle)

This is why the invoice was created. This is absolutely the reason that requires such an invoice to keep stay into Wikipedia.

This is why I ask moderators to cancel any past an any further request to delete it.

With respect,

--Raffaele Megabyte 21:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Almost all of this user's edits, including all of those made in the last 6 months, are to this article and related pages. Stifle (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• response: Is this a problem to you? It is a long time I don't edit and/or write into wikipedia. It is a right of mine to do it or not.

And I thanks God I discovered the attempt to delete this article, so I can fight democratically to keep it.

With respect --Raffaele Megabyte 02:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I think the discussion here is getting a little out of hand. Keep the the article for now. The discussion about where to merge it, or what content should be here vs. elsewhere, should take place on the article talk page, and should NOT have the time limit that an AfD discussion has. Mangojuice^talk 22:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or possibly redirect to Amiga emulation. Emulation of the Amiga is already covered in Amiga emulation and various articles such as Unix Amiga Emulator. It's redundant to have two articles, so they should be merged, or this one deleted. I agree than "Amiga emulation" should be the primary name - this phrase is far more common that "Amiga virtual machine". Furthermore the article confuses Amiga emulation with Amiga Anywhere, which is an entirely different thing - this should be moved out into its own article. I realise that the article states they are different - but it's confusing to cover them together like this. If we want to cover both articles, then the article should be converted into a proper disambiguation page. This should also be deleted as a non-notable or unreferenced term - only 1 non-wikipedia Google hit [1], and that says "Too bad there isn't an Amiga Virtual Machine"! Mdwh 00:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep There are 5 nonwikipedia Yahoo hits for "Amiga Virtual Machine" [2] and I see no factual errors in the article. In fact it seems clear from reading this discussion that the article should be enormously expanded.--70.110.80.15 07:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment It's debateable how many hits should be considered "enough", but 5 is absurd. Even hundreds is generally considered non-notable (e.g., I get over 1,000 on just an online name I use which is unique to me). Also note, of those 5, none are relevant to this article: 1 actually appears to mean a Java virtual machine, 2 talk about a hypothetical Amiga virtual machine for the A\BOX, which was never released, and 2 are actually duplicate hits, I've no idea what the mention of Amiga virtual machine is about, the phrase just appears in some RSS feed. Mdwh 11:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or Merge; none of this is in the right place, and most of it duplicates other articles.--Prosfilaes 19:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Stop discriminating against minorities! --68.238.104.248 08:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply You surely must be a newb to Wikipedia so I will explain some things to you.

• You don't get special priveleges for being a minority in Wikipedia.
• There are no federal laws protecting minorities on the Wikipedia.
• We the majority make the rules in the Wikipedia. The minority just has to deal with that.
• We can delete this irrelevant article if we want to. (We do). All Amiga articles are irrelevant to society.
• Wikipedia is not the place for nonstandard systems to promulgate themselves and clutter up the wiki.
• You are not just a minority. You are an infinitesimally small minority. Get over it.--AirportTerminal 11:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Request Please refrain from responding to this obvious flamebait.--Anss123 13:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment The above vote by 68.238.104.248 was the editor's first edit. Mdwh 10:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• comment

• Delete Why are we letting people clutter up Wikipedia with articles about a dead platform? All Amiga artilces are not notable. They should all be deleted! Why are we having this discussion? There can't be more than 10,000 Amiga real machines and probably no more than 90,000 Amiga virtual machines in use today. That is less than 0.01% of the desktop market. This is not notable. It isn't relevant for society at large. I agree with the others in that I feel hostility towards this (and all other) amiga articles. Let the purge begin!--AirportTerminal 11:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Request Please refrain from responding to this obvious flamebait.--Anss123 13:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: This is this user's fifth edit. Stifle (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Motorola 680x0 since it's been merged there. Failing that, delete. Stifle (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.