Wiki143:Articles for deletion/David Morgan-Mar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO RESULT. This is such a mashing together of multiple articles that each plainly warrant their own discussions that it is impossible to use this debate to produce a meaningful result on any of them. Most of the comments do not deal with more than one or two of the articles, and few deal with the same as other comments. The only one that is often referred to is Ook!, which appears to be a keeper. I think a better formulated set of AfDs are needed if deletion is really warranted for these. -Splash^talk 19:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

David Morgan-Mar, Piet programming language, Ook! programming language, Chef programming language, Whenever

David Morgan-Mar seems to be a player in the esoteric language world and has done some other thing that might make him notable, so no opinion from me on this. The esoteric languages he has created do not appear notable enough to warrant their own article. —Ruud 21:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete the programming languages, or else merge all in David Morgan-Mar if this guy turns out to be notable enough to have an article, otherwise delete all. —Ruud 21:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep some, specifically
  • Ook! programming language has a long edit history, hence presumably many people interested in it. More importantly, it has survived a previous deletion vote (see Talk:Ook! programming language) and appears to have had a small interested community predating the WP article.
  • Chef programming language since it is quit original and its article is too long to be made into a section of David Morgan-Mar.
  • Piet programming language is small now, and hence could be merged, but has potential for growth and therefore of being split off again. Thus it does not seem worth joining.
  • Whenever seems less serious than the previous ones, and unlikely to grow more than its pesent size, hence should be merged.

More generally, there seems to be no advantage in merging (the redirects will still be there) but several clear disadvantages. The Ook! and Chef sections would be too long and make David Morgan-Mar into a very ugly article. It seems sensible (and in accord with usual WP practice) to discuss each work of an author in a separate article, rather than in a section of the author's article. Jorge Stolfi 22:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Chef, an often-cited example of esoteric programming. Redirect Ook! into Brainfuck since it's simply a trivial transformation of it, and is already sufficiently described (with one sentence) there. I abstain on the rest. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 03:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Piet and Whenever (non-notable stubs). No opinion on Ook and Chef, which are less stub-like but still not necessarily notable (I don't consider myself well-versed enough in esoteric languages to make that call), and also no opinion on David Morgan-Mar for basically the same reason. --bmills 03:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
• Can't we have an Esoteric Programming Languages page with Chef, Ook! and Piet as examples? 88.105.127.171 02:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC) I just read a few other histories and Talk pages and it seems that a Languages Based on Brainfuck page might be the best way to go... probably. Piet isn't based on BF though... keep the pages that aren't brainfuck related seperate. 88.105.127.171 02:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep D.M-M's page. Keep the current structure. These pages will probably be expanded with examples and it would end up fracturing into several sub pages again. (A bit like the page for Tea).MrD 17:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Ook, merge the others. bogdan 15:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all. I don't see why any of these were nominated in the first place. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 13:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep & stop this AFD, there should be individual AFDs. -Ravedave 15:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all, and agreed that these articles should be listed as individual AfD discussions. _└ ^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 17:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Ook!, PLEASE!
• Keep Piet, its deserves an article and is a rare and interesting esoteric language. Why delete them just because they aren't the most used articles. Wikipedia is one of the few references on esoteric languages and I for one wouldn't know much about them had I not come across these pages. Graham Brown 11:56, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
• Keep DM-M, Merge languages Percy Snoodle 11:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep David Morgan-Mar, no vote on the rest (most bizarre combined AfD ever; all these keep votes yet they're all for different articles). Nifboy 06:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Ook! even survived a deletion request on the German Wikipedia, and we delete much stuff you keep. -- IGEL 15:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.