Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Fledgling Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance Nearly Destroyed

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 06:26, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Fledgling Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance Nearly Destroyed

Apparently, this is about an event in the Descent: Freespace game, although the article never bothers to mention this fact. Also reads like a copyvio from the manual; anyone have a copy to check? Either way, Delete. Owen× ☎ 01:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

• Sounds like someones own personal interpretation of onee of the missions in the "Silent Threat" expansion pack, Delete. (preceding unsigned comment by {{{2}}})

• Delete. (Created by, and mainly edited by User:71.110.89.194. I have just marked two of his/her articles as possible copyright violations.)

-=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 03:16, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, dude, you crossed the line. there are no copyrights to Freespace: The Great War, Silent Threat, or Freespace 2. the companies no longer hold the right to them. ALSO, i did not have to say that it's for Descent: Freespace, SINCE IT IS LOCATED IN THE DESCENT: FREESPACE SECTION. Furthermore, this did NOT come out of ANY manual WHATSOEVER. -Cobra (71.110.89.194)

This comment really belongs on the talk page. -=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=-

• Delete -- (☺drini♫|☎) 02:53, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete --

OK, i've moved this article to another page. Delete it now. :) -Cobra

• Delete and fanfic is copyvio unless there is explicit permission of the copyright owner because of the use of backgrounds and/or characters covered by the copyright. If you don't care for that how about unverifiable and original research. WCFrancis 04:41, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as cruft.  Denelson83  05:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

• Comment:the article creator came on IRC to ask what he could do to make this better; I walked him through registering (as User:Tenchin) and re-creating the article as a subpage of his userspace where he could tinker with it at will, and then we concluded that it would best fit as part of the GTVA article. He has since agreed to have this article deleted, and I look forward to seeing more contributions from this bright young man. DS 12:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
  • BRAVO DS! --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 16:41, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Support DS's help to the new user. Support deletion of this article as agreed above. This long title doesn't seem to need a redirect, and the other article will have the edit history for whatever keepworthy content Tenchin provides. Advise checking on that in a few days to see what's fancruft to delete per WP:FICT and what's verifiably of widespread significance. Barno 02:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
      • How notable is Freespace 2 or Descent: Freespace or whatever? (Current GTVA content Sunday night says "the Freespace 2 universe", the creator above insists readers won't need the context identified "SINCE IT IS LOCATED IN THE DESCENT: FREESPACE SECTION.") I play many kinds of games but have barely heard of this. If the cited companies no longer hold the copyrights, is the game abandoned as a commercial failure, notable to nobody but a few fans? Or was it in some way so noteworthy that several game magazines did feature articles and mainstream media gave coverage to big events? (Compare, for example, the rise of big-prize-money Magic: the Gathering tournaments getting national newspaper articles.) We need WP:Verifiability for the higher-level article about the game system in order to justify keeping fine-grained in-game stuff at all. Even then, policy says we keep only canon stuff, not fanfic. If this is just stuff that a local gaming group has developed extrapolating from canon, it's not of sufficiently widespread importance to meet WP's basic policies. If what's kept is all canon, I think it should probably be further merged into the game system's main article, or at worst one level of sub-article below that. Alliances that form the backstory or context for a gaming system are "of interest only to fans of that game", and not of encyclopedic value. Barno 03:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.