Talk:Heteronomous language

For a June 2005 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Heteronomous language.

Here is the important info from that discussion:

Does not appear to be attested anywhere outside Wikipedia mirrors and forks. Single line definition does not make much sense. --Tabor 20:31, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Heteronomy with respect to languages and its opposite, autonomy, are concepts that are used in this paper, this paper, this introduction to Scots, this paper on Norwegian, and all of these books. However, I don't think that heteronomous language and autonomous language stand apart from each other. These might do well to be merged somewhere. Compare the situation with Ausbausprache - Abstandsprache - Dachsprache and Ausbausprache, Abstandsprache, and Dachsprache. Uncle G 23:10, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
• Comment. I've edited the page based on the definitions gleamed from the pages Uncle G cites above, so it should at least be comprehensible now. Nevertheless I've never heard this term (and I only know a completely different definition of "autonomous language"), so I'm not totally convinced this isn't a neologism. No vote at this time. --Angr/ 06:16, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Heteronomous language vs dialect

The difference doesn't become clear from the article. --194.145.161.227 15:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

From the Trudgill link given above, it becomes clear that there is no difference. I'm modifying the article accordingly. --194.145.161.227 18:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That's not correct. Dialects are in most cases heteronomous and have a standard language as Dachsprache, but take the Sorbian language. It is a Slavic language in Germany. It is small and endangered and has only limited media, is not the language in school etc. Sorbs can't do their life without using German. Therefore Sorbian is a heteronomous language. But it is of course not a dialect of German, cause it is Slavic.

So, heteronomous language means a language under the thumb of another language or language variety, just like a dialect, but without saying it belongs to this language. So the term avoids the POV in 'dialect' (like 'a dialect is subordinate to a language', ' only a dialect' etc, which can cause political dispute). --::Slomox:: >< 17:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Heteronomy now has its own page

I just got rid of the redirect for heteronomy to this page, and started a page for the concept of heteronomy, the antithesis of autonomy. EPM (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Igbo?? WTF? I think someone mistyped the error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.100.33.92 (talk) 05:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)